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	<title>Comments on: The Top-10 MUST FIX features for Vegas</title>
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		<title>By: mathewaugustus</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7679</link>
		<dc:creator>mathewaugustus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also love to see a built in proxy editing/intermediate codec system put in place. I have been able to find 3rd party plugins that help but yeah, seems like something they should introduce natively for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also love to see a built in proxy editing/intermediate codec system put in place. I have been able to find 3rd party plugins that help but yeah, seems like something they should introduce natively for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7669</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugenia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you said &quot;I see no ghosting&quot;, which is what I replied to. You need to learn to STRUCTURE your replies and be clear or what you are writing. But even then, you still have things tangled in your head. You talked about no-ghosting on a plain 24p file (while my blog post is about resampling/de-interlacing), and you talked about being able to go at 20 mbps with SonyAVC (while I clearly said that the limitation is ONLY when you try to export via an AVCHD template). So yes, you are the one who needs to read more carefully and be 100% sure that what you use to TEST my claims against, is exactly what I describe, and not random footage you have around that only applies *in your case*.

To test my two points (ghosting, AVCHD bitrate), you must:
1. Use interlaced content (most users shoot interlaced). Must have some motion.
2. Use blend fields in the project properties, which is the Vegas default. Creates ghosting.
3. Slow-mo that content, to see the resampling kick in (default). Creates *additional* ghosting.
4. When exporting via SonyAVC, you _must_ pick an AVCHD template to edit and try to export in over 16 mbps. Won&#039;t let you do it.

Then, redo the same thing, but with interpolation as deinterlacing, and with resampling disabled. NOTICE the much cleaner output you get this way!

So, without doing these steps exactly as I said above, then you testing my claims can&#039;t be done correctly, because they don&#039;t apply to the issues I described.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you said &#8220;I see no ghosting&#8221;, which is what I replied to. You need to learn to STRUCTURE your replies and be clear or what you are writing. But even then, you still have things tangled in your head. You talked about no-ghosting on a plain 24p file (while my blog post is about resampling/de-interlacing), and you talked about being able to go at 20 mbps with SonyAVC (while I clearly said that the limitation is ONLY when you try to export via an AVCHD template). So yes, you are the one who needs to read more carefully and be 100% sure that what you use to TEST my claims against, is exactly what I describe, and not random footage you have around that only applies *in your case*.</p>
<p>To test my two points (ghosting, AVCHD bitrate), you must:<br />
1. Use interlaced content (most users shoot interlaced). Must have some motion.<br />
2. Use blend fields in the project properties, which is the Vegas default. Creates ghosting.<br />
3. Slow-mo that content, to see the resampling kick in (default). Creates *additional* ghosting.<br />
4. When exporting via SonyAVC, you _must_ pick an AVCHD template to edit and try to export in over 16 mbps. Won&#8217;t let you do it.</p>
<p>Then, redo the same thing, but with interpolation as deinterlacing, and with resampling disabled. NOTICE the much cleaner output you get this way!</p>
<p>So, without doing these steps exactly as I said above, then you testing my claims can&#8217;t be done correctly, because they don&#8217;t apply to the issues I described.</p>
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		<title>By: Mateusz Szczurek</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7668</link>
		<dc:creator>Mateusz Szczurek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; more pulldown removal/addition support (e.g. PF24),
&gt; I don’t know about SD9, I think it also has pulldown added.

Oh, come on now, I was referring to the two lines cited above and was never mentioning point 4 of the original article.
Why would I want to argue with you, or disprove any point? It now looks neither of us reads what the other writes.

&gt; Please stop replying, you are in the wrong.
Sorry I did - but you can delete the post :)
All the best, get well, M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; more pulldown removal/addition support (e.g. PF24),<br />
&gt; I don’t know about SD9, I think it also has pulldown added.</p>
<p>Oh, come on now, I was referring to the two lines cited above and was never mentioning point 4 of the original article.<br />
Why would I want to argue with you, or disprove any point? It now looks neither of us reads what the other writes.</p>
<p>&gt; Please stop replying, you are in the wrong.<br />
Sorry I did &#8211; but you can delete the post <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
All the best, get well, M.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7667</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugenia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Why would I want to do that? 

If you can not understand what I am writing here, then please do NOT reply and pollute this thread with things that are going to confuse the future readers of this article.

The ghosting problem from blending fields is for INTERLACED content, which is what most camcorders shoot at. I talked about interlacing, and you bloody used a 24p progressive file to disprove  my point???? Where&#039;s the logic in that? And besides, even with 24p, if you change the frame rate or slow-mo the file, you will get ghosting because of resampling (which is a different issue to de-interlacing&#039;s ghosting).

&gt;and custom export to mp4 using Sony AVC codec (up to 20mbps).

JEEZ. You DID NOT try to export as AVCHD, using an actual AVCHD template, and THEN try to export at 20 mbps. You will see that if you try that, the dialog RESETS the bitrate number back to 16 mbps. But in order to see the problem you have to SPECIFICALLY choose to edit an AVCHD exporting template.

You have so many things tangled in your mind that need untangling. You need to learn more, and read more carefully. This is a lot like I am telling you that &quot;I am going to fry some potatoes in oil&quot;, and you reply &quot;here&#039;s some water to boil them&quot;. That&#039;s the kind of non-understanding you have right now, which doesn&#039;t sit well with me. Please stop replying, you are in the wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Why would I want to do that? </p>
<p>If you can not understand what I am writing here, then please do NOT reply and pollute this thread with things that are going to confuse the future readers of this article.</p>
<p>The ghosting problem from blending fields is for INTERLACED content, which is what most camcorders shoot at. I talked about interlacing, and you bloody used a 24p progressive file to disprove  my point???? Where&#8217;s the logic in that? And besides, even with 24p, if you change the frame rate or slow-mo the file, you will get ghosting because of resampling (which is a different issue to de-interlacing&#8217;s ghosting).</p>
<p>>and custom export to mp4 using Sony AVC codec (up to 20mbps).</p>
<p>JEEZ. You DID NOT try to export as AVCHD, using an actual AVCHD template, and THEN try to export at 20 mbps. You will see that if you try that, the dialog RESETS the bitrate number back to 16 mbps. But in order to see the problem you have to SPECIFICALLY choose to edit an AVCHD exporting template.</p>
<p>You have so many things tangled in your mind that need untangling. You need to learn more, and read more carefully. This is a lot like I am telling you that &#8220;I am going to fry some potatoes in oil&#8221;, and you reply &#8220;here&#8217;s some water to boil them&#8221;. That&#8217;s the kind of non-understanding you have right now, which doesn&#8217;t sit well with me. Please stop replying, you are in the wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Mateusz Szczurek</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7666</link>
		<dc:creator>Mateusz Szczurek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; ARE YOU SURE you exported with blend fields? 
Why would I want to do that? The clip was shot in 24p to start with, it is not deinterlaced at all. I was looking for botched/non-existent pulldown-removal ghosting. I should have stated the source file more clearly, my test was in reference to your SD9 pulldown hypothesis. Sony Vegas does not seem to have any problems with dealing with the 24p file from SD9.

&gt; There’s no point trying to debunk what’s already acknowledged
It&#039;s farthest away from my mind, I am just trying to understand what the limitations you write about really mean for me. It appears Vegas Platinum can deal with Panasonic SD9 24p AVCHD files (without prior pulldown removal), and custom export to mp4 using Sony AVC codec (up to 20mbps). If it is indeed true, it is good enough for me, I can always use tsmuxer to burn an AVCHD dvd if needed.
Thanks for suffering my ignorance, I am coming from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=37394&amp;id=701683952&amp;l=77cd7c65e6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;still photography background &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; ARE YOU SURE you exported with blend fields?<br />
Why would I want to do that? The clip was shot in 24p to start with, it is not deinterlaced at all. I was looking for botched/non-existent pulldown-removal ghosting. I should have stated the source file more clearly, my test was in reference to your SD9 pulldown hypothesis. Sony Vegas does not seem to have any problems with dealing with the 24p file from SD9.</p>
<p>&gt; There’s no point trying to debunk what’s already acknowledged<br />
It&#8217;s farthest away from my mind, I am just trying to understand what the limitations you write about really mean for me. It appears Vegas Platinum can deal with Panasonic SD9 24p AVCHD files (without prior pulldown removal), and custom export to mp4 using Sony AVC codec (up to 20mbps). If it is indeed true, it is good enough for me, I can always use tsmuxer to burn an AVCHD dvd if needed.<br />
Thanks for suffering my ignorance, I am coming from <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=37394&amp;id=701683952&amp;l=77cd7c65e6" rel="nofollow">still photography background </a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7665</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugenia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt; &gt;You can specify exact slowmo when you add velocity curve and adjust it.&lt;/i&gt;

I can&#039;t see how. I want to input specific numbers/percentages. The dialog  that let&#039;s you do that only goes up to 4x. And I definitely don&#039;t want to export and re-speed it.

&lt;i&gt;&gt;screenshot here. Did you mean something else&lt;/i&gt;

I meant the AVCHD exports. You didn&#039;t try to export in AVCHD, that&#039;s why it worked for you. AVCHD should go up to 24 mbps. Please be more careful of what I speak about.

&lt;i&gt; &gt;Also, I cannot see any ghosting problems&lt;/i&gt;

Ghosting is there with blend fields (and resampling under some conditions, e.g. frame rate changes). Interpolation is much cleaner. ARE YOU SURE you exported with blend fields? Also, your shutter speed is really high in that video, that&#039;s not how most people shoot.

There&#039;s no point trying to debunk what&#039;s already acknowledged by people who know what they are talking about btw. You already made a mistake above not reading carefully what I meant, I am thinking that the ghosting issue is one such case too. You probably already exported with interpolation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> >You can specify exact slowmo when you add velocity curve and adjust it.</i></p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see how. I want to input specific numbers/percentages. The dialog  that let&#8217;s you do that only goes up to 4x. And I definitely don&#8217;t want to export and re-speed it.</p>
<p><i>>screenshot here. Did you mean something else</i></p>
<p>I meant the AVCHD exports. You didn&#8217;t try to export in AVCHD, that&#8217;s why it worked for you. AVCHD should go up to 24 mbps. Please be more careful of what I speak about.</p>
<p><i> >Also, I cannot see any ghosting problems</i></p>
<p>Ghosting is there with blend fields (and resampling under some conditions, e.g. frame rate changes). Interpolation is much cleaner. ARE YOU SURE you exported with blend fields? Also, your shutter speed is really high in that video, that&#8217;s not how most people shoot.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no point trying to debunk what&#8217;s already acknowledged by people who know what they are talking about btw. You already made a mistake above not reading carefully what I meant, I am thinking that the ghosting issue is one such case too. You probably already exported with interpolation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mateusz Szczurek</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7664</link>
		<dc:creator>Mateusz Szczurek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugenia, I&#039;ve just been trying to export a 23,97p project, and I can set everything as needed, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.szczurek.com/images/export.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;screenshot here &lt;/a&gt;. Did you mean something else, or is it the trial version I am still using which is better? ;)
Also, I cannot see any ghosting problems with the exported file (despite of it being 1080p best render quality)... 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.szczurek.com/images/mazury.mp4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A 720p version of the file I rendered (best, 6mbps, 10MB total)&lt;/a&gt;, I remember about your internet transfer limits :). Arms, birds (around 3-4s into the clip) look all right to me, ropes are blurred because of shutter speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugenia, I&#8217;ve just been trying to export a 23,97p project, and I can set everything as needed, <a href="http://www.szczurek.com/images/export.png" rel="nofollow">screenshot here </a>. Did you mean something else, or is it the trial version I am still using which is better? <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Also, I cannot see any ghosting problems with the exported file (despite of it being 1080p best render quality)&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.szczurek.com/images/mazury.mp4" rel="nofollow">A 720p version of the file I rendered (best, 6mbps, 10MB total)</a>, I remember about your internet transfer limits <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Arms, birds (around 3-4s into the clip) look all right to me, ropes are blurred because of shutter speed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jara</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7663</link>
		<dc:creator>Jara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can specify exact slowmo when you add velocity curve and adjust it. You can export your video and slow it down again. Also you can use Velocity curve and shrink the file (ctrl and drag the end) at the same time - I believe that this gives you 9x times slower/faster speed. Not sure on this one.

I miss stabilization plugin, changing velocity of the clip and audio as well (you can change the sound by shrinking the file but you can not create nice slow ramped video with Velocity curves)

I would also love better options with masking, better usage of transparency layers (when adding titles and graphics).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can specify exact slowmo when you add velocity curve and adjust it. You can export your video and slow it down again. Also you can use Velocity curve and shrink the file (ctrl and drag the end) at the same time &#8211; I believe that this gives you 9x times slower/faster speed. Not sure on this one.</p>
<p>I miss stabilization plugin, changing velocity of the clip and audio as well (you can change the sound by shrinking the file but you can not create nice slow ramped video with Velocity curves)</p>
<p>I would also love better options with masking, better usage of transparency layers (when adding titles and graphics).</p>
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		<title>By: himanshu</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7659</link>
		<dc:creator>himanshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and yes...me want better slow mo too :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yes&#8230;me want better slow mo too <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: himanshu</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/29/the-top-10-must-fix-features-for-vegas/#comment-7658</link>
		<dc:creator>himanshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want the colorista plugin to work with vegas. I dont want to shift to premiere or fcp to color correct :(

Whenever i have to fiddle with colors, i have to use after effects. Final cut and premier users get to use a lot of fantastic plugins. 

But no matter what, i am not switching to anything else for editing. Vegas is definately the most user friendly editing app out there :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want the colorista plugin to work with vegas. I dont want to shift to premiere or fcp to color correct <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Whenever i have to fiddle with colors, i have to use after effects. Final cut and premier users get to use a lot of fantastic plugins. </p>
<p>But no matter what, i am not switching to anything else for editing. Vegas is definately the most user friendly editing app out there <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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