Comments on: Palm Pre and iTunes http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/ Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:56:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: memson http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7442 memson Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:17:43 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7442 Palm needs to go cap in hand to Apple and pay the piper, or else they'll have this feature gone in 60 days. Palm needs to go cap in hand to Apple and pay the piper, or else they’ll have this feature gone in 60 days.

]]> By: Eugenia http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7439 Eugenia Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:37:41 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7439 Blover, stop overreacting and taking it hard because I said that you did a naive mistake. It was what it was. The one who is bitching right now about it, is you. You made a mistake in evaluating the true situation of Palm actually GAINING something from the whole thing, so be a man and admit it. Don't put this on me. Blover, stop overreacting and taking it hard because I said that you did a naive mistake. It was what it was. The one who is bitching right now about it, is you.

You made a mistake in evaluating the true situation of Palm actually GAINING something from the whole thing, so be a man and admit it. Don’t put this on me.

]]> By: blover http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7438 blover Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:16:08 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7438 It's kinda like garbage(no negative innuindo intentioned), in that once you set it on the curb it's not yours... the same with anything online including this blog. If you open it up for comments then don't bitch and wine when you don't like the comments. It’s kinda like garbage(no negative innuindo intentioned), in that once you set it on the curb it’s not yours… the same with anything online including this blog. If you open it up for comments then don’t bitch and wine when you don’t like the comments.

]]> By: Eugenia http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7437 Eugenia Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:09:37 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7437 blover, this is a naive mistake on your part. Palm also makes money off of it, because for some people, iTunes integration is a reason to buy the Palm Pre. It's an added-value situation for Palm. Plus, the fact that someone makes money off something is not immoral. It's just commercial. Being commercial is neither moral or immoral. But hijacking someone else's investment (like Palm did), is immoral. On the other hand, there are not many other things Palm can do to compete. iTunes has a monopoly, and while having a monopoly per se is not illegal in the US, it doesn't help competition and the market. So all this really is a tricky situation. It really is a gray area rather than a black and white one. blover, this is a naive mistake on your part. Palm also makes money off of it, because for some people, iTunes integration is a reason to buy the Palm Pre. It’s an added-value situation for Palm.

Plus, the fact that someone makes money off something is not immoral. It’s just commercial. Being commercial is neither moral or immoral. But hijacking someone else’s investment (like Palm did), is immoral.

On the other hand, there are not many other things Palm can do to compete. iTunes has a monopoly, and while having a monopoly per se is not illegal in the US, it doesn’t help competition and the market. So all this really is a tricky situation. It really is a gray area rather than a black and white one.

]]> By: blover http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7434 blover Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:22:20 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7434 palm makes no money, apple does = not immoral palm makes no money, apple does = not immoral

]]> By: Soundtweaker http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7430 Soundtweaker Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:17:25 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7430 Well DRM doesnt really matter if your using a subscription service. If you want the songs bad enough, DRM can be easily stripped with programs like Tunebite. Its very hard to tell a 192 file AAC from and mp3. I can barely tell the difference between 192 and 320mp3 on pro studio monitors. The Zune pass is a great deal because you also get 10 free songs of your choice per month. So that $15 per month is just like buying a CD and you get access to millions of songs. They even have more experimental stuff like Fantomas. Sorry for hijacking the thread here. Well DRM doesnt really matter if your using a subscription service. If you want the songs bad enough, DRM can be easily stripped with programs like Tunebite.

Its very hard to tell a 192 file AAC from and mp3.
I can barely tell the difference between 192 and 320mp3 on pro studio monitors.

The Zune pass is a great deal because you also get 10 free songs of your choice per month. So that $15 per month is just like buying a CD and you get access to millions of songs. They even have more experimental stuff like Fantomas.

Sorry for hijacking the thread here.

]]> By: b0nk http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7429 b0nk Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:00:30 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7429 I wasn't aware of the fact that iTunes once had an API to add support for other devices. Perhaps the reason for removing this API was a tribute to the fucking music industry. You know, human's creativity is infinite; there might have been a developer somewhere here on earth who would've created a plugin to share music easily via the internet. Well that's also possible right now (Simplify Media), but in the times of DRM somebody could've tricking DRM out; who knows... I wasn’t aware of the fact that iTunes once had an API to add support for other devices. Perhaps the reason for removing this API was a tribute to the fucking music industry. You know, human’s creativity is infinite; there might have been a developer somewhere here on earth who would’ve created a plugin to share music easily via the internet. Well that’s also possible right now (Simplify Media), but in the times of DRM somebody could’ve tricking DRM out; who knows…

]]> By: Eugenia http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7425 Eugenia Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:31:30 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7425 I just checked out the Zune Pass deal, and I don't really like it. It's DRM, it's WMA (the most popular player is the iPod after all), & not all albums are available for Zune Pass. This is really "leasing", and it has its place in the market, but probably not at $15 a month. I wouldn't pay more than $5 for DRM, even if we are talking about a whole catalog. Anyways, our topic is the iTunes hijacking... Fair, unfair, legal, illegal? I just checked out the Zune Pass deal, and I don’t really like it. It’s DRM, it’s WMA (the most popular player is the iPod after all), & not all albums are available for Zune Pass. This is really “leasing”, and it has its place in the market, but probably not at $15 a month. I wouldn’t pay more than $5 for DRM, even if we are talking about a whole catalog.

Anyways, our topic is the iTunes hijacking… Fair, unfair, legal, illegal?

]]> By: Eugenia http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7423 Eugenia Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:22:26 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7423 I have bought a lot of music via iTunes because I like the integration between the Store and the Library. It's just convenient. You buy it, and it's there, in your Library. However, you are mistaken that Amazon's 256kbps VBR MP3 being better than Apple's 256 kbps DRM-free AAC. AAC is mpeg4, while mp3 is actually mpeg2. Even with Amazon using VBR, AAC still has an audible edge. Where AAC is not very good at is in low bitrates (e.g. 64 kbps), where WMA is actually better than both mp3 and AAC. Mp3 is best at around 128 kbps (comparatively to WMA/AAC's performance at that medium quality bitrate). So quality between all these formats is different depending on the bitrate used. At high bitrate though (over 192 kbps), AAC is better than its competition. On the other hand, of course, Apple uses Low Complexity for their AAC format, meaning, that they are not as well optimized as they could be. The only things Amazon's MP3 has for it compared to AAC, is that it has no embedded watermarking (all my AACs have my name on their metadata), and that MP3 is indeed more compatible with various devices. I have bought a lot of music via iTunes because I like the integration between the Store and the Library. It’s just convenient. You buy it, and it’s there, in your Library.

However, you are mistaken that Amazon’s 256kbps VBR MP3 being better than Apple’s 256 kbps DRM-free AAC. AAC is mpeg4, while mp3 is actually mpeg2. Even with Amazon using VBR, AAC still has an audible edge. Where AAC is not very good at is in low bitrates (e.g. 64 kbps), where WMA is actually better than both mp3 and AAC. Mp3 is best at around 128 kbps (comparatively to WMA/AAC’s performance at that medium quality bitrate). So quality between all these formats is different depending on the bitrate used. At high bitrate though (over 192 kbps), AAC is better than its competition. On the other hand, of course, Apple uses Low Complexity for their AAC format, meaning, that they are not as well optimized as they could be.

The only things Amazon’s MP3 has for it compared to AAC, is that it has no embedded watermarking (all my AACs have my name on their metadata), and that MP3 is indeed more compatible with various devices.

]]> By: Soundtweaker http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7422 Soundtweaker Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:13:48 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/06/04/palm-pre-and-itunes/#comment-7422 Im siding with Pre on this one. Im not sure why anyone would want to buy songs off Itunes anyway. Amazon is a better deal and higher bit rate and more universal mp3 format. Eventually everything will be subscription based anyway like the Zune pass. If I didnt already buy 300 cd's I would have had the Zune pass already. Im siding with Pre on this one.
Im not sure why anyone would want to buy songs off Itunes anyway. Amazon is a better deal and higher bit rate and more universal mp3 format.

Eventually everything will be subscription based anyway like the Zune pass. If I didnt already buy 300 cd’s I would have had the Zune pass already.

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