Comments on: Prejudice against gay people

By: Eugenia

Eugenia — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:04:06 +0000

>Bah there have been numerous cases here of healthy polygamous relationships –

I have heard of none. All the ones I know or heard have lots of misery for the women AND the children.

>independent women (or men!) making this choice?

It’s VERY rare that a women will choose a household. Get your facts right. In fact, I have not heard of ANY woman voluntarily going into such a situation herself (except widows).

I am closing this because the last thing I want is to have the same discussion we had 6 months ago. Polygamy, the way it is right now in the world, IT IS NOT acceptable. I am not against polygamy as an institution, I am against the way it works right now.

So stop everyone from being off topic. This is NOT the same. Polygamy has DIRE consequences for the psyche of the women and children involved, gay marriage has NONE.

By: Thom Holwerda

Thom Holwerda — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:21:25 +0000

Bah there have been numerous cases here of healthy polygamous relationships – in fact, it’s not THAT weird. And we’re not talking children here, we’re talking grown women, over their 30s, well-educated, good, well-paying job, who simply feel that a polygamous relationship is what they want, and they’ve been happy ever since. Of course it’s illegal here (really shouldn’t be), but a registered partnership (a notch below marriage) enables this (you can have multiple registered partnerships).

I don’t want it either, but grown, independent women (or men!) making this choice? It’s their life, not mine, and it’s not my job to interfere or tell them what to do.

By: Phil

Phil — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 11:26:45 +0000

It is nonsense to suggest or imply that there can’t be healthy polygamous adult relationships and that they can only exist where coercion is used. So, as with same sex relationships, it really isn’t your business at all.

This all feeds back to your blog entry. You claim there are a lot of prejudiced people about but when presented with a different adult relationship to the ones you find socially acceptable you choose to respond in a way that is little different to the people you dislike so much. Much as you try you can’t have it both ways.

P.S. And if you don’t like my post read your reply to “C Smith” …

By: Eugenia

Eugenia — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:29:41 +0000

It IS my business when the vast majority of these women are younger than 18, and even if they are not, the majority are FORCED to get married in such households. That’s a crime. I have not heard a single woman saying out of her heart that she likes it being in such a position sharing her husband with other women.

And polyandry is as fucked up as polygyny is. Not because it’s unnatural in biology level, but because humans need intimate relationships, something that polygamies do not offer.

There is no reason to change the subject btw and go off topic. You aren’t gonna change my mind, because the two things have absolutely nothing in common. One is mutual consent via adults, and the other one is fucked up traditions where the women don’t get to choose. I am against polygamy because of the conditions it happens, not because I don’t find natural for humans to have multiple partners.

By: Phil

Phil — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:38:15 +0000

>Or you being a man can’t understand that?

Why jump to the conclusion that I’m referring to polygyny ? But that’s beside the point, you are making artificial distinctions about what forms an acceptable partnership between grown adults. It is no more your business than a same sex partnership.

By: Eugenia

Eugenia — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:02:32 +0000

All examples of polygamy we have have a huge emotional and mental toll to the women subjected to it. They are usually victims. Or you being a man can’t understand that? In the same-sex marriage there are no victims, only adults agreeing to this.

By: Phil

Phil — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:25:58 +0000

As memsom has pointed out we have “civil partnership” in the UK so the debate is really over here whether you agree with it or not. To go slightly off-topic I do find it amusing that many people I’ve come across who are pro legal same sex partnerships become surprisingly outraged if you suggest there are equally good reasons to legalise polygamy.

By: Richard

Richard — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:22:39 +0000

Now come one, everybody wants to be a little slutty every once in a while, that can’t be a problem, right?

Where I see a another problem is with Intersexuality, how does this fit into their bill?

By: memsom

memsom — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:06:13 +0000

oops, i was slightly distracted typing that last comment!!!

By: memsom

memsom — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:03:07 +0000

We call “gay marriage” is called “civil partnership” in the UK. Everyone gets the same rights, no one gets pissed off and biggots and religious nuts don’t get to moan about “marriage being between man and woman.” Job done. Move on