Comments on: 24p: overrated http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/ Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:01:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Eugenia http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6559 Eugenia Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:29:46 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6559 My jellyfish video is 24p because I needed the extra focus/light performance on the low-light conditions of the aquarium. Otherwise, if I had more light over there, there would be no chance in hell that this would be 24p. And yes, at 60i it would have been even better. My jellyfish video is 24p because I needed the extra focus/light performance on the low-light conditions of the aquarium. Otherwise, if I had more light over there, there would be no chance in hell that this would be 24p.

And yes, at 60i it would have been even better.

]]> By: Tony Parenti http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6555 Tony Parenti Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:14:26 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6555 Quite honestly Eugenia, your Jellyfish clip on vimeo is 24p and if it was 60i I don't think it would have had as much appeal.. Quite honestly Eugenia, your Jellyfish clip on vimeo is 24p and if it was 60i I don’t think it would have had as much appeal..

]]> By: Eugenia http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6489 Eugenia Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:27:04 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6489 Brian, I don't see your problem. If your TV or your software has a good de-interlacer, you are good to go. It's as good as progressive, you can't see the difference. As for HV20's progressive 24p, only 18 frames are progressive, the rest 12 are interlaced. Brian, I don’t see your problem. If your TV or your software has a good de-interlacer, you are good to go. It’s as good as progressive, you can’t see the difference.

As for HV20’s progressive 24p, only 18 frames are progressive, the rest 12 are interlaced.

]]> By: Brian Boyko http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6488 Brian Boyko Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:07:14 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6488 I agree with the idea that 24p isn't panacea, but it's the standard; more importantly, I have a Canon HV20, and that has 60i and 24p modes. I would prefer a 30p mode, but I'll take progressive over interlaced any day, and so, I'm going with 24p. Ultimately, I think that motion blur on 24p is less distracting than interlacing artifacts on 60i. I agree with the idea that 24p isn’t panacea, but it’s the standard; more importantly, I have a Canon HV20, and that has 60i and 24p modes. I would prefer a 30p mode, but I’ll take progressive over interlaced any day, and so, I’m going with 24p.

Ultimately, I think that motion blur on 24p is less distracting than interlacing artifacts on 60i.

]]> By: Tony Parenti http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6477 Tony Parenti Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:06:32 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6477 I, having owned both an HV20 and now an HV30, like the look of 24p over 60i. In particular I love the new 30p mode of the HV30. First and foremost, my LCD TV does not deinterlace 60i video properly so when shooting 24p/30p I get a better end result to my television. I, having owned both an HV20 and now an HV30, like the look of 24p over 60i. In particular I love the new 30p mode of the HV30. First and foremost, my LCD TV does not deinterlace 60i video properly so when shooting 24p/30p I get a better end result to my television.

]]> By: Eugenia http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6470 Eugenia Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:38:36 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6470 >This 24p is not all made up huey I believe it is. It's just something that people are used to. If all films were filmed in 60p, people would be used to, and no one would want to watch 24p movies. Just like we don't want to watch Charlie Chaplin in fast motion. >This 24p is not all made up huey

I believe it is. It’s just something that people are used to. If all films were filmed in 60p, people would be used to, and no one would want to watch 24p movies. Just like we don’t want to watch Charlie Chaplin in fast motion.

]]> By: Sagefox http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6465 Sagefox Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:55:00 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6465 OK, film student now present 24p does matter The article is right - panning is jerky... ...on both film and video. Thats where it stops. What he fails to mention is the smoothness of human motion, which is generally much slower than a pan. What gives away a cheap low budget picture is something very subtle, a filter which prevents the audience from appreciating characters or story. That filter is the 'shallow' motion of 60/30 fps, blown out whites, and poor black levels. Unintuitively, more is actually not better. 24p will add a sense of granduer to character movements, and cinelook will give you the balanced color palate. This 24p is not all made up huey, even though we would all like to believe it is because it would save us the stress of conversion. OK, film student now present
24p does matter
The article is right - panning is jerky…
…on both film and video.
Thats where it stops.
What he fails to mention is the smoothness of human motion, which is generally much slower than a pan.
What gives away a cheap low budget picture is something very subtle, a filter which prevents the audience from appreciating characters or story.
That filter is the ’shallow’ motion of 60/30 fps, blown out whites, and poor black levels.

Unintuitively, more is actually not better. 24p will add a sense of granduer to character movements, and cinelook will give you the balanced color palate. This 24p is not all made up huey, even though we would all like to believe it is because it would save us the stress of conversion.

]]> By: John http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6461 John Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:42:27 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6461 What about PAL, should we also stay away from 25p?? I think not, unless we want to go from 50i to 50p during post-processing. Shooting in 50i and then deinterlacing to 25p does not make sense when you can shoot in 25p in the first place. He seems to confuse shutter speed with frame rate. "On a sunny day it will be something like F5.6 or F8 at 125 fps. And you thought you were shooting 60i." What about PAL, should we also stay away from 25p?? I think not, unless we want to go from 50i to 50p during post-processing. Shooting in 50i and then deinterlacing to 25p does not make sense when you can shoot in 25p in the first place.

He seems to confuse shutter speed with frame rate. “On a sunny day it will be something like F5.6 or F8 at 125 fps. And you thought you were shooting 60i.”

]]> By: Dave Rosky http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6441 Dave Rosky Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:47:34 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6441 "And interlacing is such a new technology from 1932 and results in great artifacts that we all should learn to love." It's true, interlacing is an old technology and may probably also be abandoned at some point. But interlacing is a bit of a special case. The thing about interlacing is that it's actually a very clever way to double the visual resolution capacity of a limited bandwidth channel. For this reason, I think interlacing may still stay relevent wherever there are limited bandwidtdh channels, such as in television broadcasting. It should, however, disappear in applications such as camcorders and DVD distribution of content where there is no bandwidth limitation. “And interlacing is such a new technology from 1932 and results in great artifacts that we all should learn to love.”

It’s true, interlacing is an old technology and may probably also be abandoned at some point. But interlacing is a bit of a special case. The thing about interlacing is that it’s actually a very clever way to double the visual resolution capacity of a limited bandwidth channel. For this reason, I think interlacing may still stay relevent wherever there are limited bandwidtdh channels, such as in television broadcasting.

It should, however, disappear in applications such as camcorders and DVD distribution of content where there is no bandwidth limitation.

]]> By: kiwi http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6418 kiwi Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:09:55 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/03/19/24p-overrated/#comment-6418 And interlacing is such a new technology from 1932 and results in great artifacts that we all should learn to love. :) And interlacing is such a new technology from 1932 and results in great artifacts that we all should learn to love. :)

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