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	<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/</link>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6151</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6151</guid>
		<description>Tony, this is a good price. Go for it. For *that* price, you get the best TV available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, this is a good price. Go for it. For *that* price, you get the best TV available.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6148</link>
		<author>Tony</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 07:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6148</guid>
		<description>The company I work for has a B2B agreement with Panasonic which allows me to purchase Panasonic products at a discount.  I'm thinking about buying a Panasonic TH-50PZ85U which is available to me for $1944 w/ free shipping.  Is this a good price?  Or could I likely find it for this price or even less online?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The company I work for has a B2B agreement with Panasonic which allows me to purchase Panasonic products at a discount.  I&#8217;m thinking about buying a Panasonic TH-50PZ85U which is available to me for $1944 w/ free shipping.  Is this a good price?  Or could I likely find it for this price or even less online?</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6074</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6074</guid>
		<description>Not really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really.</p>
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		<title>By: Nutela</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6072</link>
		<author>Nutela</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6072</guid>
		<description>Eugenia, I was wondering, do plasma tv's flicker the same way as CRT tv's?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugenia, I was wondering, do plasma tv&#8217;s flicker the same way as CRT tv&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6054</link>
		<author>Michael</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6054</guid>
		<description>"Why didn’t you?" -- Because I was being a stubborn idiot and missed your link. (talks to himself) always check your facts, always check your facts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why didn’t you?&#8221; &#8212; Because I was being a stubborn idiot and missed your link. (talks to himself) always check your facts, always check your facts!</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6053</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6053</guid>
		<description>Michael, that picture is the one I linked to you 2 days ago above (a flash animation that I told you to click). But it seems that you never clicked it? Why didn't you? It would have save us a lot of grief.

And yes, for the NEW high-end Panasonic plasma TVs, this is a new feature. Most TVs don't have this feature, it's a new kind of feature, appeared for the first time 2 years ago or so. For Plasmas, only Pioneer had a similar feature for about 2 years. Panasonic is still playing catch up, and they didn't even go 72Hz, they went 48Hz which is flickering. Which is why we went with Pioneer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, that picture is the one I linked to you 2 days ago above (a flash animation that I told you to click). But it seems that you never clicked it? Why didn&#8217;t you? It would have save us a lot of grief.</p>
<p>And yes, for the NEW high-end Panasonic plasma TVs, this is a new feature. Most TVs don&#8217;t have this feature, it&#8217;s a new kind of feature, appeared for the first time 2 years ago or so. For Plasmas, only Pioneer had a similar feature for about 2 years. Panasonic is still playing catch up, and they didn&#8217;t even go 72Hz, they went 48Hz which is flickering. Which is why we went with Pioneer.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6052</link>
		<author>Michael</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6052</guid>
		<description>Got it, "24p cinematic playback", seems to be a new feature for 2008, so I would certainly not call this sort of processing "usual". My 60-series TV does not have it. 

I am glad to see that Panasonic works on improvements. Thanks for the link, the thread has a picture that shows how 2:2 display conversion works, definitely not as smooth as 3:3 process of your new Pioneer.

Congrats with your new TV!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it, &#8220;24p cinematic playback&#8221;, seems to be a new feature for 2008, so I would certainly not call this sort of processing &#8220;usual&#8221;. My 60-series TV does not have it. </p>
<p>I am glad to see that Panasonic works on improvements. Thanks for the link, the thread has a picture that shows how 2:2 display conversion works, definitely not as smooth as 3:3 process of your new Pioneer.</p>
<p>Congrats with your new TV!</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6050</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6050</guid>
		<description>Michael, drop it. YES, these plasma screens CHANGE their refresh rate ON THE FLY when their "film mode" option is enabled on their menus and a 24p stream is detected. So, drop it. The community &lt;a href="http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=37760&#038;page=2" rel="nofollow"&gt;agrees&lt;/A&gt; that the way Panasonic represented their algorithm for 24p, it's 2:2, which means 48Hz. Pioneer's panels do both 60Hz and 72Hz. Panasonic's do 48Hz and 60Hz. If you still have doubts, go call Panasonic support and ask them. To me, this is clear as day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, drop it. YES, these plasma screens CHANGE their refresh rate ON THE FLY when their &#8220;film mode&#8221; option is enabled on their menus and a 24p stream is detected. So, drop it. The community <a href="http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=37760&#038;page=2" rel="nofollow">agrees</a> that the way Panasonic represented their algorithm for 24p, it&#8217;s 2:2, which means 48Hz. Pioneer&#8217;s panels do both 60Hz and 72Hz. Panasonic&#8217;s do 48Hz and 60Hz. If you still have doubts, go call Panasonic support and ask them. To me, this is clear as day.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6048</link>
		<author>Michael</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6048</guid>
		<description>"If you show 24×2, as Panasonic does, that’s 48Hz. That’s how TVs are usually made." -- I don't know what do you mean by "usually", but usually the refresh rate is fixed. Just like your computer monitor has 60Hz, or 75Hz or 85Hz refresh rate, the same goes with TV sets, their refresh rate is umm, usually, fixed. If you have reliable links that prove that Panasonic switches to 48Hz refresh rate in movie mode, I would appreciate if you provided them.

"For LCDs, their 120 Hz is called 5:5, Pioneer’s is called 3:3, Panasonic’s is 2:2." -- If the TV improperly detects input signal, the output would look weird. I'd read about Pioneer's 3:3 mode before I bought my Panasonic TV, and the verdict was that it works sometime, but sometimes it doesn't. This is why older Pioneer TVs (I don't know about new ones) have a separate setting about forcing or disabling 3:3 72Hz mode, just in case if you know better what format the movie is.

Don't forget that the cadence is not always constant, you can have movie cadence, then you may have video edits or ad break. Even if you watch a DVD, you can have breaks of cadence. what do you suggest, the TV has to change refresh rate instanteneouly? This would look jarring, therefore no one does it, therefore 120Hz refresh rate is being adopted, not because it is a nice large number and the larger number the better (this is what consumers think), it is because this rate is acceptable for all frame rates used in American TV: 24p, 30p and 60i, so there is no need to switch refresh rates. When was the last time you changed refresh rate of your computer monitor? How much time did it take? Was it unnoticeable?

"all evidence shows, and many people claim online too, that Panasonic’s TVs are 48Hz during their “film mode”. ... Truth is, Panasonic is 2:2, and this just means 24×2=48. And it’s not the first time that a Plasma TV is 48Hz during film mode. All evidence points to this." -- As I said, I would appreciate reliable links on that. From what I've read on the topic, "normal" TVs simply display movie-sourced video with the same 2:3 cadence, but here 2:3 is not fields anymore, they are frames, because the panels themselves are 60p.

The above is not to say that the TV you chose is not good, it is gorgeous, but if this was the reason why you chose it, then your judgment was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you show 24×2, as Panasonic does, that’s 48Hz. That’s how TVs are usually made.&#8221; &#8212; I don&#8217;t know what do you mean by &#8220;usually&#8221;, but usually the refresh rate is fixed. Just like your computer monitor has 60Hz, or 75Hz or 85Hz refresh rate, the same goes with TV sets, their refresh rate is umm, usually, fixed. If you have reliable links that prove that Panasonic switches to 48Hz refresh rate in movie mode, I would appreciate if you provided them.</p>
<p>&#8220;For LCDs, their 120 Hz is called 5:5, Pioneer’s is called 3:3, Panasonic’s is 2:2.&#8221; &#8212; If the TV improperly detects input signal, the output would look weird. I&#8217;d read about Pioneer&#8217;s 3:3 mode before I bought my Panasonic TV, and the verdict was that it works sometime, but sometimes it doesn&#8217;t. This is why older Pioneer TVs (I don&#8217;t know about new ones) have a separate setting about forcing or disabling 3:3 72Hz mode, just in case if you know better what format the movie is.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that the cadence is not always constant, you can have movie cadence, then you may have video edits or ad break. Even if you watch a DVD, you can have breaks of cadence. what do you suggest, the TV has to change refresh rate instanteneouly? This would look jarring, therefore no one does it, therefore 120Hz refresh rate is being adopted, not because it is a nice large number and the larger number the better (this is what consumers think), it is because this rate is acceptable for all frame rates used in American TV: 24p, 30p and 60i, so there is no need to switch refresh rates. When was the last time you changed refresh rate of your computer monitor? How much time did it take? Was it unnoticeable?</p>
<p>&#8220;all evidence shows, and many people claim online too, that Panasonic’s TVs are 48Hz during their “film mode”. &#8230; Truth is, Panasonic is 2:2, and this just means 24×2=48. And it’s not the first time that a Plasma TV is 48Hz during film mode. All evidence points to this.&#8221; &#8212; As I said, I would appreciate reliable links on that. From what I&#8217;ve read on the topic, &#8220;normal&#8221; TVs simply display movie-sourced video with the same 2:3 cadence, but here 2:3 is not fields anymore, they are frames, because the panels themselves are 60p.</p>
<p>The above is not to say that the TV you chose is not good, it is gorgeous, but if this was the reason why you chose it, then your judgment was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6042</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 12:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/23/woohoo-new-tv-ordered/#comment-6042</guid>
		<description>the one we bought consumes much less power than the panasonic we wanted to get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the one we bought consumes much less power than the panasonic we wanted to get.</p>
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