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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5675</link>
		<author>Chris</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5675</guid>
		<description>Now let me say to I understand where you are coming from in many of your reasoned arguments against Locke, but I'd say I would still probably be going off with Locke.  Miracles continually happening to one guy, must be for some reason.  You forget, that not only did he see visions of Walt telling him what to do, but he was healed from the bullet wound to lead the others.  And, in that same episode, in the future, Jack is saying they have to get back to the island.  Which means he made a mistake in getting everyone off of it.  Which would lead Locke's decision in faith to stay on the island had credit.

Now let's get into other periods when Jack has been wrong.  Well, let's go with hitting the button in Season 2.  He refused to hit it, believing it to be nothing, when we found out it was not just a mind game.  Or when Sayid was torturing Henry Gale aka Ben in the second season.  They had one of the others, and they had a man who is trained to see through lies understand he is an other, and Jack stopped him from getting the information out of him. 

Locke was right when he told Jack that if you're building an army to fight the others, what Sayid was doing was something that needs to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now let me say to I understand where you are coming from in many of your reasoned arguments against Locke, but I&#8217;d say I would still probably be going off with Locke.  Miracles continually happening to one guy, must be for some reason.  You forget, that not only did he see visions of Walt telling him what to do, but he was healed from the bullet wound to lead the others.  And, in that same episode, in the future, Jack is saying they have to get back to the island.  Which means he made a mistake in getting everyone off of it.  Which would lead Locke&#8217;s decision in faith to stay on the island had credit.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s get into other periods when Jack has been wrong.  Well, let&#8217;s go with hitting the button in Season 2.  He refused to hit it, believing it to be nothing, when we found out it was not just a mind game.  Or when Sayid was torturing Henry Gale aka Ben in the second season.  They had one of the others, and they had a man who is trained to see through lies understand he is an other, and Jack stopped him from getting the information out of him. </p>
<p>Locke was right when he told Jack that if you&#8217;re building an army to fight the others, what Sayid was doing was something that needs to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5620</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5620</guid>
		<description>&gt;&lt;em&gt;I believe Locke can do no wrong in the grand scheme of things&lt;/em&gt;

That's the whole problem in your comment. You take Locke's side with the viewer's point of view. But as a viewer you know MORE than Jack and the survivors know. You can't judge the situation like that, because not all information is available to most characters.

Locke is the "insider" danger. You see, as a viewer you only care about the mysteries of the island, but if you were an actual survivor you would only care to get the hell out of that island. And Locke has sabotaged the survivors' goal a number of times.

Let's not forget that within JUST 6-7 episodes, he:
1. Blew up a com station.
2. Blew up the submarine.
3. Tried to kill the one-eye guy.
4. Defected to the Others. Or infiltrated them, depends how you see it.
5. Essentially killed his father.
6. Killed Naomi.
7. Split the survivors.

The guy works AGAINST the survivors. He THINKS he has good reasons, but he is not sane. Seeing visions of Walt while half-dead, a sane person would think that this was just a hallucination. But he didn't, he really believes what he sees. When Jack saw his father he did think that he's just tired and that he sees things. He tried to find a rational explanation about his visions. But Locke doesn't. Locke has his own agenda, and the problem is that even himself doesn't know what this agenda really is.

In an upcoming episode Locke will be asking Ben point blank what the smoke monster is. And while Locke WORKS for the island's wishes, he doesn't know what the island is. He is misguided, he only knows half-truths, and yet, he has FAITH to keep him going. But faith is not good enough for the rest of the survivors, because not everyone HAS to adhere in that belief system. And yet, Locke DECIDES for everyone.

This is why Locke is a villain and he doesn't even know it.

Locke became a faithful because he experienced a miracle: his healing.

However, this is where things get ironic, as Locke tries to impose his beliefs on everyone else. Just like a fanatical religious person tries to make everyone like him and wear specific things or go to Church every Sunday. He doesn't take other people's wishes and beliefs into account because he thinks that he's on the right path of wisdom because he had --according to him-- a revelation. The kick is though that he only knows half-truths.

Just like fanatical religious people over the ages and even today don't know what God really is, and what He's made of, and yet, they would try to convert everyone else. They work for Him, but they are not sure why.

Locke has become a pest IMO. Which is why Jack calls him "insane" and tries to kill him. Jack did the right thing as a leader there. It was his responsibility to save his people from an insane, superstitious person that has sabotaged them numerous times. According to the info Jack and the survivors have, Locke is insane and should not be followed. The fact that he might be right at the end, it's completely up to the writers, not to the actual situation so far when you put yourself into the survivor's shoes and what they currently know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>><em>I believe Locke can do no wrong in the grand scheme of things</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the whole problem in your comment. You take Locke&#8217;s side with the viewer&#8217;s point of view. But as a viewer you know MORE than Jack and the survivors know. You can&#8217;t judge the situation like that, because not all information is available to most characters.</p>
<p>Locke is the &#8220;insider&#8221; danger. You see, as a viewer you only care about the mysteries of the island, but if you were an actual survivor you would only care to get the hell out of that island. And Locke has sabotaged the survivors&#8217; goal a number of times.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that within JUST 6-7 episodes, he:<br />
1. Blew up a com station.<br />
2. Blew up the submarine.<br />
3. Tried to kill the one-eye guy.<br />
4. Defected to the Others. Or infiltrated them, depends how you see it.<br />
5. Essentially killed his father.<br />
6. Killed Naomi.<br />
7. Split the survivors.</p>
<p>The guy works AGAINST the survivors. He THINKS he has good reasons, but he is not sane. Seeing visions of Walt while half-dead, a sane person would think that this was just a hallucination. But he didn&#8217;t, he really believes what he sees. When Jack saw his father he did think that he&#8217;s just tired and that he sees things. He tried to find a rational explanation about his visions. But Locke doesn&#8217;t. Locke has his own agenda, and the problem is that even himself doesn&#8217;t know what this agenda really is.</p>
<p>In an upcoming episode Locke will be asking Ben point blank what the smoke monster is. And while Locke WORKS for the island&#8217;s wishes, he doesn&#8217;t know what the island is. He is misguided, he only knows half-truths, and yet, he has FAITH to keep him going. But faith is not good enough for the rest of the survivors, because not everyone HAS to adhere in that belief system. And yet, Locke DECIDES for everyone.</p>
<p>This is why Locke is a villain and he doesn&#8217;t even know it.</p>
<p>Locke became a faithful because he experienced a miracle: his healing.</p>
<p>However, this is where things get ironic, as Locke tries to impose his beliefs on everyone else. Just like a fanatical religious person tries to make everyone like him and wear specific things or go to Church every Sunday. He doesn&#8217;t take other people&#8217;s wishes and beliefs into account because he thinks that he&#8217;s on the right path of wisdom because he had &#8211;according to him&#8211; a revelation. The kick is though that he only knows half-truths.</p>
<p>Just like fanatical religious people over the ages and even today don&#8217;t know what God really is, and what He&#8217;s made of, and yet, they would try to convert everyone else. They work for Him, but they are not sure why.</p>
<p>Locke has become a pest IMO. Which is why Jack calls him &#8220;insane&#8221; and tries to kill him. Jack did the right thing as a leader there. It was his responsibility to save his people from an insane, superstitious person that has sabotaged them numerous times. According to the info Jack and the survivors have, Locke is insane and should not be followed. The fact that he might be right at the end, it&#8217;s completely up to the writers, not to the actual situation so far when you put yourself into the survivor&#8217;s shoes and what they currently know.</p>
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		<title>By: Stéphane</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5619</link>
		<author>Stéphane</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5619</guid>
		<description>I was browsing OSNews and was quite surprised and happy to see a link about my all-time favorite show on the right-side column. So here's my quick answer.

John Locke is my idol on the island (Desmond and Benjamin are close, but Locke is the true force of the show). I'm not a religious person at all and usually on the scientific side (I'm a researcher), but I believe Locke can do no wrong in the grand scheme of things. I have faith (pun intended) in the writers and I feel that a dark side of certain 'clean' characters (i.e. Jack) will soon be shown. Locke and his actions will probably only be understood at the end of Season 6.

You've read it here first, Eugenia. :-)

In the last 90 island-days, Jack has lost a lot of his sanity. Provided he was sane before the crash, which I sometiems doubt.

PS: Now let's all hope that the rumors of the end of the writer's strike for friday are true. I can't imagine 2008 with only 8 Lost episodes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was browsing OSNews and was quite surprised and happy to see a link about my all-time favorite show on the right-side column. So here&#8217;s my quick answer.</p>
<p>John Locke is my idol on the island (Desmond and Benjamin are close, but Locke is the true force of the show). I&#8217;m not a religious person at all and usually on the scientific side (I&#8217;m a researcher), but I believe Locke can do no wrong in the grand scheme of things. I have faith (pun intended) in the writers and I feel that a dark side of certain &#8216;clean&#8217; characters (i.e. Jack) will soon be shown. Locke and his actions will probably only be understood at the end of Season 6.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve read it here first, Eugenia. <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In the last 90 island-days, Jack has lost a lot of his sanity. Provided he was sane before the crash, which I sometiems doubt.</p>
<p>PS: Now let&#8217;s all hope that the rumors of the end of the writer&#8217;s strike for friday are true. I can&#8217;t imagine 2008 with only 8 Lost episodes.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5618</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5618</guid>
		<description>&gt;&lt;em&gt;What did I miss?&lt;/em&gt;

A missing kidney and the island's healing properties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>><em>What did I miss?</em></p>
<p>A missing kidney and the island&#8217;s healing properties.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5615</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5615</guid>
		<description>&gt;&lt;em&gt;When he tried to KILL Locke this week.&lt;/em&gt;

Right. And WHY is that out of control? Locke killed Naomi, and he sabotaged the escape of the group numerous times. He had it coming! I don't see how Jack, as a leader, was out of control trying to take out one of the biggest pests in their world.

I would have done the same thing. Or if I had a brig (that Jack didn't have available), I would have shoved him in.

As for listening to Charlie, Charlie only said that this is not the boat they thought it was. But that doesn't mean that it's a boat full of murderers.

So no, I don't agree with you Adam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>><em>When he tried to KILL Locke this week.</em></p>
<p>Right. And WHY is that out of control? Locke killed Naomi, and he sabotaged the escape of the group numerous times. He had it coming! I don&#8217;t see how Jack, as a leader, was out of control trying to take out one of the biggest pests in their world.</p>
<p>I would have done the same thing. Or if I had a brig (that Jack didn&#8217;t have available), I would have shoved him in.</p>
<p>As for listening to Charlie, Charlie only said that this is not the boat they thought it was. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s a boat full of murderers.</p>
<p>So no, I don&#8217;t agree with you Adam.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Holwerda</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5613</link>
		<author>Thom Holwerda</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5613</guid>
		<description>Well said, Adam. Rationality left the island quite a while ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Adam. Rationality left the island quite a while ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob C</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5612</link>
		<author>Bob C</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5612</guid>
		<description>Eugenia,
I obviously missed something last season or on the opener.  I thought last season, towards the end, that Ben shot Locke and he fell into the mass grave where all the Dharma people were put... Then I watched the premiere last week and Locke is fine and dandy.  What did I miss?
Bob C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugenia,<br />
I obviously missed something last season or on the opener.  I thought last season, towards the end, that Ben shot Locke and he fell into the mass grave where all the Dharma people were put&#8230; Then I watched the premiere last week and Locke is fine and dandy.  What did I miss?<br />
Bob C</p>
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		<title>By: mikesum32</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5611</link>
		<author>mikesum32</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5611</guid>
		<description>It's going to be real funny when the Others turn out to be the good guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s going to be real funny when the Others turn out to be the good guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5609</link>
		<author>Adam S</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5609</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&#62; Jack is not always right.

Tell me one time that he wasn’t (according to information available to him at the time).&lt;/i&gt;

When he tried to KILL Locke this week.  Jack is out of control, and given his behavior this week, people ought to distance themselves from him.  Jack is no longer rational, no longer scientific.  And he has not truly listened to what happened and what Charlie said. Once he's no longer observing and reacting, he's broken from the "science" standpoint you've noted and joined a new sort of "fait" standpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&gt; Jack is not always right.</p>
<p>Tell me one time that he wasn’t (according to information available to him at the time).</i></p>
<p>When he tried to KILL Locke this week.  Jack is out of control, and given his behavior this week, people ought to distance themselves from him.  Jack is no longer rational, no longer scientific.  And he has not truly listened to what happened and what Charlie said. Once he&#8217;s no longer observing and reacting, he&#8217;s broken from the &#8220;science&#8221; standpoint you&#8217;ve noted and joined a new sort of &#8220;fait&#8221; standpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: irbis</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5608</link>
		<author>irbis</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/02/04/the-role-of-john-locke/#comment-5608</guid>
		<description>The role of John Locke? Maybe important? But as far as empiricism in concerned I prefer Ludwig Wittgenstein or Karl Popper. Or John Rawls in the field of social contract philosophy.. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The role of John Locke? Maybe important? But as far as empiricism in concerned I prefer Ludwig Wittgenstein or Karl Popper. Or John Rawls in the field of social contract philosophy.. <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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