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	<title>Comments on: The Linux video editor situation</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Schlaile</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5055</link>
		<author>Peter Schlaile</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5055</guid>
		<description>... and you might also find
&lt;a HREF="http://peter.schlaile.de/blender/sequencer/" rel="nofollow"&gt;my old Changelog from 2006&lt;/A&gt;

worth reading, if you want to read about my "rants and solutions" that I had at that time :)

Sincerely,
Peter

&lt;b&gt;Reply from Eugenia:&lt;/b&gt; Sorry Peter, this application is not designed for home video editing. It's a specialized 3D app with some video support on the side. This is not what Joe User needs. It's impossible to get your head around this app. I don't have 6 months just to figure it out. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and you might also find<br />
<a HREF="http://peter.schlaile.de/blender/sequencer/" rel="nofollow">my old Changelog from 2006</a></p>
<p>worth reading, if you want to read about my &#8220;rants and solutions&#8221; that I had at that time <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Peter</p>
<p><b>Reply from Eugenia:</b> Sorry Peter, this application is not designed for home video editing. It&#8217;s a specialized 3D app with some video support on the side. This is not what Joe User needs. It&#8217;s impossible to get your head around this app. I don&#8217;t have 6 months just to figure it out. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Schlaile</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5054</link>
		<author>Peter Schlaile</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5054</guid>
		<description>See the button "SR:2 - Model" at the top of the screen, when
you startup blender? That is one of the screen-area presets.
Click on it and choose "SR: 4 - Sequence" and you are in the
video sequencer.

That was my point about presets. One can customize those
screen area and build presets for different usages of the
program. (This is also sensible for video editing. The default preset is fine for simply usage, but can be configured to present several input-monitors and one large output monitor. That is the screen, I use most of the day...)

Blender is an orthogonal application. That is one of the greatest things that you can build. It simply offers the whole design pipeline from 3D-modelling over animating through compositing down to video sequence editing and does
this consistently.

You can use some parts of the pipeline or everything at once (which is what VFX guys do all day).

Probably a look into &lt;a HREF="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Manual/Video_Sequence_Editing" rel="nofollow"&gt;the Manual&lt;/A&gt; will make things a lot more clearly.

To answer your usage question: just put the video on the timeline (Spacebar - Movie - Select the movie you captured,
hit N-key and click on Filter-Y).

If you want to generate interlaced output, click on "fields" in render dialog and use "odd" to toggle field order.

Sincerely,
Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the button &#8220;SR:2 - Model&#8221; at the top of the screen, when<br />
you startup blender? That is one of the screen-area presets.<br />
Click on it and choose &#8220;SR: 4 - Sequence&#8221; and you are in the<br />
video sequencer.</p>
<p>That was my point about presets. One can customize those<br />
screen area and build presets for different usages of the<br />
program. (This is also sensible for video editing. The default preset is fine for simply usage, but can be configured to present several input-monitors and one large output monitor. That is the screen, I use most of the day&#8230;)</p>
<p>Blender is an orthogonal application. That is one of the greatest things that you can build. It simply offers the whole design pipeline from 3D-modelling over animating through compositing down to video sequence editing and does<br />
this consistently.</p>
<p>You can use some parts of the pipeline or everything at once (which is what VFX guys do all day).</p>
<p>Probably a look into <a HREF="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Manual/Video_Sequence_Editing" rel="nofollow">the Manual</a> will make things a lot more clearly.</p>
<p>To answer your usage question: just put the video on the timeline (Spacebar - Movie - Select the movie you captured,<br />
hit N-key and click on Filter-Y).</p>
<p>If you want to generate interlaced output, click on &#8220;fields&#8221; in render dialog and use &#8220;odd&#8221; to toggle field order.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5048</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5048</guid>
		<description>I had a look at Blender earlier today, and I could not find anywhere the video editing part. I found the ffmpeg exporting dialogs, but I found no de-interlacing options, and no HDV/DV reading ability. Post some screenshots on how someone can connect his camcorder on Blender and get his work done and export in a delivery user format.

You see, I am not interested in editing pirated xvid files, I am interested in DV/HDV/AVCHD support, I am a videographer, not a video remixer. Besides, I just don't see the point of using a tool that it was designed for something different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a look at Blender earlier today, and I could not find anywhere the video editing part. I found the ffmpeg exporting dialogs, but I found no de-interlacing options, and no HDV/DV reading ability. Post some screenshots on how someone can connect his camcorder on Blender and get his work done and export in a delivery user format.</p>
<p>You see, I am not interested in editing pirated xvid files, I am interested in DV/HDV/AVCHD support, I am a videographer, not a video remixer. Besides, I just don&#8217;t see the point of using a tool that it was designed for something different.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Schlaile</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5046</link>
		<author>Peter Schlaile</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5046</guid>
		<description>... you might be surprised, that I first used Blender as a video editing app and figured out how to use the 3D modeller afterwards... (I was really surprised, how easy it was, to make really good looking titles instead of those crappy ones, you get out of consumer video editing apps. And that, without really knowing the modeller :) )

So you are wrong about the "have to understand the rest of Blender", but are probably right, that most people won't use it for "family videos", because there are simply too many buttons on the screen (and you can't see the video editor at first startup...)

But nevertheless: in contrast to other video editing apps (like e.g. Avid), it is _really_ straight forward in it's usage...

And considering the fact, that the really interesting people maybe want to do "killer action movies" or good looking commercials instead of "videos of their dog", I personally like an application, into which you can grow, when your projects get more demanding (especially when we get into visual effects) a lot more like those "Windows Movie Maker" wannabees.

Besides: I still can't get why you need HD editing for movies about your dog :)

Sincerely,
Peter

P.S.: It isn't probably too hard, to make a Blender startup file, that hides a lot of the 3D modeller and makes only the video editor accessible. So with a little bit of tweaking, probably even "family video guys" might start to like it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; you might be surprised, that I first used Blender as a video editing app and figured out how to use the 3D modeller afterwards&#8230; (I was really surprised, how easy it was, to make really good looking titles instead of those crappy ones, you get out of consumer video editing apps. And that, without really knowing the modeller <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>So you are wrong about the &#8220;have to understand the rest of Blender&#8221;, but are probably right, that most people won&#8217;t use it for &#8220;family videos&#8221;, because there are simply too many buttons on the screen (and you can&#8217;t see the video editor at first startup&#8230;)</p>
<p>But nevertheless: in contrast to other video editing apps (like e.g. Avid), it is _really_ straight forward in it&#8217;s usage&#8230;</p>
<p>And considering the fact, that the really interesting people maybe want to do &#8220;killer action movies&#8221; or good looking commercials instead of &#8220;videos of their dog&#8221;, I personally like an application, into which you can grow, when your projects get more demanding (especially when we get into visual effects) a lot more like those &#8220;Windows Movie Maker&#8221; wannabees.</p>
<p>Besides: I still can&#8217;t get why you need HD editing for movies about your dog <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Peter</p>
<p>P.S.: It isn&#8217;t probably too hard, to make a Blender startup file, that hides a lot of the 3D modeller and makes only the video editor accessible. So with a little bit of tweaking, probably even &#8220;family video guys&#8221; might start to like it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5042</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5042</guid>
		<description>To truly use Blender like this, you gotta understand the rest of the Blender app too. No one is willing to learn Blender just so they can put together a video of their dog. It's just not realistic. Blender is a very targeted application, not a generic video app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To truly use Blender like this, you gotta understand the rest of the Blender app too. No one is willing to learn Blender just so they can put together a video of their dog. It&#8217;s just not realistic. Blender is a very targeted application, not a generic video app.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Schlaile</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5039</link>
		<author>Peter Schlaile</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5039</guid>
		<description>Hi Eugenia,

did you try &lt;a HREF="http://www.blender.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;Blender&lt;/A&gt; ?

Yes, it is a 3D-modeller, but it has a nice little video
sequencing application integrated, that does your short list
pretty well.

It even let you do pro stuff with it's integrated 
node compositor.

Let alone the complete 3D-suite that makes complex
3D transitions (and also simple good titling, for which
I use it :) a charme.

Sincerely,
Peter

P.S.: I once searched a working application to edit 2 hours of live footage and had the same problem as you, that there were no serious little editing application, that simply does it's job. Well, now I'm a blender developer and now there is one :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eugenia,</p>
<p>did you try <a HREF="http://www.blender.org" rel="nofollow">Blender</a> ?</p>
<p>Yes, it is a 3D-modeller, but it has a nice little video<br />
sequencing application integrated, that does your short list<br />
pretty well.</p>
<p>It even let you do pro stuff with it&#8217;s integrated<br />
node compositor.</p>
<p>Let alone the complete 3D-suite that makes complex<br />
3D transitions (and also simple good titling, for which<br />
I use it <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> a charme.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Peter</p>
<p>P.S.: I once searched a working application to edit 2 hours of live footage and had the same problem as you, that there were no serious little editing application, that simply does it&#8217;s job. Well, now I&#8217;m a blender developer and now there is one <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Roland</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5029</link>
		<author>Roland</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5029</guid>
		<description>Hi Eugenia,

To use iMovie you need a Mac. On windows machine you have Movie Maker for little video editing. Even if Cinelerra has lot of problems, I bet it's better than Movie Maker.
Are you speaking about "little video editing features"; I don't know iMovie but can you tell me a thing that Movie Maker can do and  a combination of mencoder, ffmpeg, cinelerra and gimp can't?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eugenia,</p>
<p>To use iMovie you need a Mac. On windows machine you have Movie Maker for little video editing. Even if Cinelerra has lot of problems, I bet it&#8217;s better than Movie Maker.<br />
Are you speaking about &#8220;little video editing features&#8221;; I don&#8217;t know iMovie but can you tell me a thing that Movie Maker can do and  a combination of mencoder, ffmpeg, cinelerra and gimp can&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5021</link>
		<author>Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5021</guid>
		<description>I know of it, but installing a full SDK just to get hold of a "test app", is a bit weird. And this is not a maintained app, for example, it's a hit and miss if it works with Leopard or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know of it, but installing a full SDK just to get hold of a &#8220;test app&#8221;, is a bit weird. And this is not a maintained app, for example, it&#8217;s a hit and miss if it works with Leopard or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ygg</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5017</link>
		<author>Ygg</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-5017</guid>
		<description>Might be more worth while writing an HDV capture app for Win/OSX (there is none for OSX that just does capture in .m2t or .m2ts)

install the firewire sdk (downloadable off apple's website) then run virtualdvhs

simple capture app that dumps to disk the mpeg2 transport stream your firewire cam has on tape</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be more worth while writing an HDV capture app for Win/OSX (there is none for OSX that just does capture in .m2t or .m2ts)</p>
<p>install the firewire sdk (downloadable off apple&#8217;s website) then run virtualdvhs</p>
<p>simple capture app that dumps to disk the mpeg2 transport stream your firewire cam has on tape</p>
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		<title>By: l3v1</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-4978</link>
		<author>l3v1</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/12/03/the-linux-video-editor-situation/#comment-4978</guid>
		<description>"Frameworks don’t matter,"

Mmmkay. Yeesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Frameworks don’t matter,&#8221;</p>
<p>Mmmkay. Yeesh.</p>
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