>all you need is a pullup away…

Yes, a freaking pullup that costs an extra $250 to do properly. There is *NO* NLE below $1200 that does the right kind of pullup *directly* on the capture for this kind of footage. I have to either buy After Effects (which I don’t like), or I have to buy NeoHDV which costs $250 (and as soon as Canon’s AVCHD camcorders start recording in 1920×1080 instead of 1440×1080, then you have to buy NeoHD which costs $600).

It really pisses me off when people who think they know everything, like these on the DVinfo forum think that it’s an “easy feature to fix”. It’s NOT an easy to fix because the sub-$1200 NLE market currently doesn’t support it. Currently, I have to do ALL THIS to go around the pullup problem. It is a PAIN IN THE ASS (it takes 5 hours to remove pulldown on a 60min footage) and therefore it’s unacceptable. If they had a menu option to keep 24p in 60i or not, that would be ok for both consumers and prosumers. But they don’t. I don’t buy the argument that “consumers will fuck it up”. There is always the “reset all options” menu option if they do.

And regarding your consumer and hobbyist point, read my post again. This is why I wrote that what I want is a HOBBYIST ARTIST camcorder for $2000, and not a consumer or a semi-pro one. I want a cheap camera GEARED towards the cinematic look and features (which means DOF, but not much zoom). Canon and Sony offers nothing like that so far and Panasonic DVX/HVX series are too expensive and too complicated for what I really want. Only JVC came close to what I want, but they fucked it up on the 3 points I made above.

Sorry for writing in an angry manner, but people really don’t get what a huge pain in the ass HV20’s 24p pulldown removal is. But instead they all have an opinion about it.

Sorry, I really don’t get this problem with 24p under 60i when all you need is a pullup away…
Sure, it sucks that they didn’t have a interface designer capable enough to wrap the 24p switch under the camera’s interface with the proper warnings to costumers who don’t know what it is exactly… but… there’s SO MANY problems besides that… quality issues, too much compression, bad color steps… well… there’s so many problems that can’t really be solved so easily that maybe should get more attention them this one…

…I don’t won’t to offend, but in the dvinfo thread this simple point made the rest of the discussion that could be very useful, about prosumer and hobbyist products, simply fade away… I agree with you that taking features away just sucks, even if someone else has very good points about how costumer (average joes?) usually f*** around with this features, in the end it’s really just a bad excuse for bad interface design…

I do work in motion pictures industry… and I’m actually a designer too… I like your posts about this hobby of yours, but as you are learning, just try to not bother so much with stupid things that can actually be solved, and try to learn more about this complicated, but still great, work of motion pictures… I’ll see that there’s so much things to know (and bother) that isn’t worth to spend your time repeating yourself when you could be doing some amazing work! =]

But I agree with you on the Pro PocketCam they want to release. I am very curious about this too, but they haven’t let anyone spill any info about it yet. No one knows anything about it.