Comments on: 24p: the format of the elite http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/ Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:49:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: JrezIN http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4203 JrezIN Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:38:46 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4203 <blockquote>"Ivan, actually, if you want a true cinematic look, 24p is important."</blockquote> That's correct... along with 1/48 exposure... besides that, if you plan to shoot you work in festivals (no matter indie ones or not), it important to have you work in 24p as you may have to "print" you work to actual film... It's very easy to convert 24p material to to PAL and NTSC without problems, but it's not so easy to do the reverse... Still, costumer cameras still too "weak" for good cinema-look, its like the difference from a point and shot digital camera and a SLR one. But it's not excuse to not include 24p modes and so on on these... These days (YouTube generation), hobby/indie/enthusiast work plays a big role in the market and in how many pro-cameras you'll sell in the future... =P

“Ivan, actually, if you want a true cinematic look, 24p is important.”

That’s correct… along with 1/48 exposure… besides that, if you plan to shoot you work in festivals (no matter indie ones or not), it important to have you work in 24p as you may have to “print” you work to actual film… It’s very easy to convert 24p material to to PAL and NTSC without problems, but it’s not so easy to do the reverse…

Still, costumer cameras still too “weak” for good cinema-look, its like the difference from a point and shot digital camera and a SLR one. But it’s not excuse to not include 24p modes and so on on these… These days (YouTube generation), hobby/indie/enthusiast work plays a big role in the market and in how many pro-cameras you’ll sell in the future… =P

]]> By: Eugenia http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4191 Eugenia Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:07:04 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4191 Yes, for PAL you are pretty much ok. But I shoot NTSC. Yes, for PAL you are pretty much ok. But I shoot NTSC.

]]> By: Ivan http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4190 Ivan Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:46:59 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4190 Correct me if I'm wrong, but in PAL, the lowest (manual) exposure setting on my MD101 is 1/50, which would be very close to the 1/48 filmlook setting. I have done some experiments with it in the past. My conclusion is that then lighting becomes an issue, especially indoors. Here are my experiments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74QebmBRW0 Correct me if I’m wrong, but in PAL, the lowest (manual) exposure setting on my MD101 is 1/50, which would be very close to the 1/48 filmlook setting.
I have done some experiments with it in the past. My conclusion is that then lighting becomes an issue, especially indoors. Here are my experiments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g74QebmBRW0

]]> By: Ivan http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4189 Ivan Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:28:38 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4189 Here is the link to that tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iewY-z2Pzs Here is the link to that tutorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iewY-z2Pzs

]]> By: Eugenia http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4187 Eugenia Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:25:19 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4187 Ivan, actually, if you want a true cinematic look, 24p is important. Not only because of the 24 frames look, but also because usually cameras that shoot at that mode try to stay true to 1/48th shutter speed, which makes footage look different than when shooting in 1/60 (at least for NTSC). Ivan, actually, if you want a true cinematic look, 24p is important. Not only because of the 24 frames look, but also because usually cameras that shoot at that mode try to stay true to 1/48th shutter speed, which makes footage look different than when shooting in 1/60 (at least for NTSC).

]]> By: Ivan http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4186 Ivan Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:18:25 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4186 I took the time to read the whole original thread. Wow, you put up a good fight against professional videographers. I guess you ended up with some cuts and bruses. (how do I spell this word?) Anyhow, you must have learned a couple of things, and so did I. 24p is not crucial in achieving a cinematic look. What does make a difference is: adjusting brightness and contrast, color grading, some glow, and widescreen (very important, I don't care what the pros say). And this is where Vegas is really good at. Seems to me 24p is much more a marketing thing for the camcorder manufacturers than anything else. Also, I remember a discussion thread where the conclusion was that if you live in a place where PAL (25 fps) is the standard, the whole issue of 24p becomes irrelevant. A final note: There was a guy on YouTube who made a 'filmlook' tutorial. His major trick was a touch of slow-motion. Yes, he admitted, the pitch of sound goes down a bit, but who cares! (Actually, in Vegas, the pitch remains the same.)... When consumers start writing tutorials, it's time to take cover! I took the time to read the whole original thread. Wow, you put up a good fight against professional videographers. I guess you ended up with some cuts and bruses. (how do I spell this word?)

Anyhow, you must have learned a couple of things, and so did I.
24p is not crucial in achieving a cinematic look. What does make a difference is: adjusting brightness and contrast, color grading, some glow, and widescreen (very important, I don’t care what the pros say). And this is where Vegas is really good at.

Seems to me 24p is much more a marketing thing for the camcorder manufacturers than anything else. Also, I remember a discussion thread where the conclusion was that if you live in a place where PAL (25 fps) is the standard, the whole issue of 24p becomes irrelevant. A final note: There was a guy on YouTube who made a ‘filmlook’ tutorial. His major trick was a touch of slow-motion. Yes, he admitted, the pitch of sound goes down a bit, but who cares! (Actually, in Vegas, the pitch remains the same.)… When consumers start writing tutorials, it’s time to take cover!

]]> By: Kevin http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4185 Kevin Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:29:45 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/09/28/24p-the-format-of-the-elite/#comment-4185 I don't see any real reason not to include 24P for consumers. No one is forcing people to shoot 24P, if they don't like it then they can shoot in one of the 'regular' formats. I don’t see any real reason not to include 24P for consumers. No one is forcing people to shoot 24P, if they don’t like it then they can shoot in one of the ‘regular’ formats.

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