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		<title>By: karamvir</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1153</link>
		<author>karamvir</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1153</guid>
		<description> i want drivers for my note book it is very urgent for me. if any body know about this drivers plz help me to re-instalation  i shall be thankfull  for that person thanks
	
with request
karmvir </description>
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<p>with request<br />
karmvir</p>
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		<title>By: Moulinneuf</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1147</link>
		<author>Moulinneuf</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1147</guid>
		<description> &lt;a href="http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;first link is broken , sorry , try this one&lt;/a&gt;
	
&#8220;prosavage IX&#8221; 
	
I see Savage/IX or SuperSavage IX &#8230; 
	
But then I read :
	
&#8220;Important Update!VIA has now replaced the Savage chips with a new and incompatible graphics engine which was initially called &#8220;CastleRock&#8221;. However, in a brilliant marketing move paralleling the &#8220;New Coke&#8221; fiasco, the marketing folks at VIA have decided to allow laptop makers to call this chip the &#8220;ProSavage-DDR400&#8243;. This is insanity on VIA&#8217;s part, and it&#8217;s going to cause me enormous grief, because of my optimistic statement that my driver supports every chip with &#8220;Savage&#8221; in the name.
	
So, here&#8217;s the new rule. My driver supports every chip with &#8220;Savage&#8221; in the name that has a PCI vendor ID of 5333 (which belongs to S3). If you have a Savage chip with VIA&#8217;s vendor ID (1106), then it is a CastleRock, not a Savage, and my driver does not support it.
	
VIA has submitted an XFree86 4.2 driver for the CastleRocks to XFree86, but I don&#8217;t think it has been integrated yet. &#8221;
	
But Its probably unrelated and you surely read it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html" rel="nofollow">first link is broken , sorry , try this one</a></p>
<p>&#8220;prosavage IX&#8221; </p>
<p>I see Savage/IX or SuperSavage IX &#8230; </p>
<p>But then I read :</p>
<p>&#8220;Important Update!VIA has now replaced the Savage chips with a new and incompatible graphics engine which was initially called &#8220;CastleRock&#8221;. However, in a brilliant marketing move paralleling the &#8220;New Coke&#8221; fiasco, the marketing folks at VIA have decided to allow laptop makers to call this chip the &#8220;ProSavage-DDR400&#8243;. This is insanity on VIA&#8217;s part, and it&#8217;s going to cause me enormous grief, because of my optimistic statement that my driver supports every chip with &#8220;Savage&#8221; in the name.</p>
<p>So, here&#8217;s the new rule. My driver supports every chip with &#8220;Savage&#8221; in the name that has a PCI vendor ID of 5333 (which belongs to S3). If you have a Savage chip with VIA&#8217;s vendor ID (1106), then it is a CastleRock, not a Savage, and my driver does not support it.</p>
<p>VIA has submitted an XFree86 4.2 driver for the CastleRocks to XFree86, but I don&#8217;t think it has been integrated yet. &#8221;</p>
<p>But Its probably unrelated and you surely read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Moulinneuf</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1145</link>
		<author>Moulinneuf</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 12:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1145</guid>
		<description> &lt;a href="http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.htmlE" rel="nofollow"&gt;read this from Tim Roberts ?&lt;/a&gt;
	
&lt;a href="http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~dugan/t23.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;read this ?&lt;/a&gt;
	
&lt;a href="http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki" rel="nofollow"&gt;looked at this ?&lt;/a&gt;
	
&#8220;“Linux is ready for the desktop. But it’s not ready for the laptop” — JBQ&#8221;
	
Then we will fight in the shade!!! Oups wrong time , wrong quote &lt;img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' /&gt; 
	
Then we will change the rules , we will adapt the platform to our specs and we will make them ready , eventually.
	
One day the L in Laptop will mean Linux &lt;img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' /&gt;  Or GNU/Linux for those who really care.
	
good day. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.htmlE" rel="nofollow">read this from Tim Roberts ?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.vcn.bc.ca/~dugan/t23.html" rel="nofollow">read this ?</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki" rel="nofollow">looked at this ?</a></p>
<p>&#8220;“Linux is ready for the desktop. But it’s not ready for the laptop” — JBQ&#8221;</p>
<p>Then we will fight in the shade!!! Oups wrong time , wrong quote <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' /> </p>
<p>Then we will change the rules , we will adapt the platform to our specs and we will make them ready , eventually.</p>
<p>One day the L in Laptop will mean Linux <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' />  Or GNU/Linux for those who really care.</p>
<p>good day.</p>
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		<title>By:  Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1152</link>
		<author> Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1152</guid>
		<description> &#62;that this laptop model is not supported by Linux
	
You are mistaken. About 6-10 months ago this laptop was 100% supported. Since then, new bugs were introduced that makes the usage of Linux on this laptop problematic. Many Linux users bought this laptop back in the day exactly because it was deemed &#8220;compatible&#8221;. XP works perfectly on it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;that this laptop model is not supported by Linux</p>
<p>You are mistaken. About 6-10 months ago this laptop was 100% supported. Since then, new bugs were introduced that makes the usage of Linux on this laptop problematic. Many Linux users bought this laptop back in the day exactly because it was deemed &#8220;compatible&#8221;. XP works perfectly on it.</p>
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		<title>By:  thebluesgnr</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1151</link>
		<author> thebluesgnr</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1151</guid>
		<description> “Linux is ready for the desktop. But it’s not ready for the laptop” — JBQ
	
Not true. Your experience simply means that this laptop model is not supported by Linux.
	
I bet it&#8217;s not well supported by Windows Vista (if at all) and I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s not supported by Mac OS X. Doesn&#8217;t mean these two systems are not ready for &#8220;the laptop&#8221;.
	
When you buy a laptop or desktop computer you&#8217;d like to run an OS different than the one it came with a few minutes of Googling is essential.
	
For the record, I use a laptop as my primary computer and I run GNU/Linux exclusively. Couldn&#8217;t be happier with it. &lt;img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' /&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Linux is ready for the desktop. But it’s not ready for the laptop” — JBQ</p>
<p>Not true. Your experience simply means that this laptop model is not supported by Linux.</p>
<p>I bet it&#8217;s not well supported by Windows Vista (if at all) and I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s not supported by Mac OS X. Doesn&#8217;t mean these two systems are not ready for &#8220;the laptop&#8221;.</p>
<p>When you buy a laptop or desktop computer you&#8217;d like to run an OS different than the one it came with a few minutes of Googling is essential.</p>
<p>For the record, I use a laptop as my primary computer and I run GNU/Linux exclusively. Couldn&#8217;t be happier with it. <img src='http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' /></p>
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		<title>By:  Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1146</link>
		<author> Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 07:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1146</guid>
		<description> Moulinneuf, there is nothing to &#8220;look&#8221; there. I have tried changing my xorg.conf and I RTFM, I tried the latest driver, and I know what is what. Bottom line is that the Savage driver is *buggy as hell* (prosavage IX) and unmaintainable, and that the latest kernel has a bug when used on the T23 and so it doesn&#8217;t wake up the USB stack, and that either networkmanager or acpid once every 5-6 wake-ups doesn&#8217;t wake up the ethernet card. There is nothing else to look. There are bugs that prevent me from using Linux on that laptop. End of story.
	
Even if everything might have worked better a year ago when this laptop was more current, right now, many things are broken. I am expecting that all the bugs will eventually be fixed, but NOT the savage driver which has 4-5 major bugs, because as I said, it&#8217;s unmaintainable. And because noone will fix that driver most likely (they would have years ago if they were going to), it&#8217;s a better bet for me to run XP on that laptop, not Linux. It&#8217;s just a sad fact. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moulinneuf, there is nothing to &#8220;look&#8221; there. I have tried changing my xorg.conf and I RTFM, I tried the latest driver, and I know what is what. Bottom line is that the Savage driver is *buggy as hell* (prosavage IX) and unmaintainable, and that the latest kernel has a bug when used on the T23 and so it doesn&#8217;t wake up the USB stack, and that either networkmanager or acpid once every 5-6 wake-ups doesn&#8217;t wake up the ethernet card. There is nothing else to look. There are bugs that prevent me from using Linux on that laptop. End of story.</p>
<p>Even if everything might have worked better a year ago when this laptop was more current, right now, many things are broken. I am expecting that all the bugs will eventually be fixed, but NOT the savage driver which has 4-5 major bugs, because as I said, it&#8217;s unmaintainable. And because noone will fix that driver most likely (they would have years ago if they were going to), it&#8217;s a better bet for me to run XP on that laptop, not Linux. It&#8217;s just a sad fact.</p>
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		<title>By:  Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1150</link>
		<author> Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1150</guid>
		<description> Well, the laptop has problems on Feisty. I am not willing to try another distro because the other distros will eventually get the same bugs when they update their versions of apps. Check my long list of bug reports &lt;a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/~eloli/+subscribedbugs?field.searchtext=&#38;orderby=datecreated&#38;search=Search&#38;field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&#38;field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&#38;field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&#38;field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&#38;field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&#38;field.assignee=&#38;field.owner=&#38;field.omit_dupes=on&#38;field.has_patch=&#38;field.has_no_package=" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, towards the end. Over here the S3 2D driver is _extremely_ buggy. JBQ can confirm because he saw with his own eyes the artifacts after a wake up that the Savage driver creates about once every 5-6 wake ups. The point of the matter is, the damn driver is unmaintained and Xorg evolves but the driver doesn&#8217;t. Hence, new bugs appear. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the laptop has problems on Feisty. I am not willing to try another distro because the other distros will eventually get the same bugs when they update their versions of apps. Check my long list of bug reports <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/~eloli/+subscribedbugs?field.searchtext=&amp;orderby=datecreated&amp;search=Search&amp;field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&amp;field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&amp;field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&amp;field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&amp;field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&amp;field.assignee=&amp;field.owner=&amp;field.omit_dupes=on&amp;field.has_patch=&amp;field.has_no_package=" rel="nofollow">here</a>, towards the end. Over here the S3 2D driver is _extremely_ buggy. JBQ can confirm because he saw with his own eyes the artifacts after a wake up that the Savage driver creates about once every 5-6 wake ups. The point of the matter is, the damn driver is unmaintained and Xorg evolves but the driver doesn&#8217;t. Hence, new bugs appear.</p>
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		<title>By:  l3v1</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1149</link>
		<author> l3v1</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1149</guid>
		<description> &#8220;don&#8217;t give me that &#8220;it works for me&#8221; crap, please&#8221;
	
Uhmm&#8230; but it does.
	
I have here a T23, I bought it really cheap around november last year, practically unused (4 (!) battery charges, still working 3 hours straight, with 512 megs of mem and a dvd drive), I was very happy that I found it. I just put a Linksys wpc11v4 pcmicia wifi card in it and that&#8217;s it.
	
I installed Debian testing on it the day I got it. Wifi works with ndiswrapper, but funnily not with the driver shipped on the card&#8217;s disk, but that&#8217;s ok with me.
	
Wifi even works every time when getting up from suspend, though it doesn&#8217;t work if you pull out the pcmcia card and then put it back in. Wierd.
	
Suspend worked each time I tried up to this day, that happens about 3-4 times a week, not much I know, still.
	
Video: the savage driver didn&#8217;t cause too much trouble for me, I use s3switch to switch easily between crt, lcd and svideo output, worked every time, and it&#8217;s been done a few times since I tend to keep presentations with it, and sometime watch videos from it output on the tv through the svideo.
	
I didn&#8217;t try to play hd videos on it though, yet.
	
So, about that &#8220;&#8221;it works for me&#8221; crap&#8221; &#8230; It&#8217;s just that crap I can give, sorry. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;don&#8217;t give me that &#8220;it works for me&#8221; crap, please&#8221;</p>
<p>Uhmm&#8230; but it does.</p>
<p>I have here a T23, I bought it really cheap around november last year, practically unused (4 (!) battery charges, still working 3 hours straight, with 512 megs of mem and a dvd drive), I was very happy that I found it. I just put a Linksys wpc11v4 pcmicia wifi card in it and that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>I installed Debian testing on it the day I got it. Wifi works with ndiswrapper, but funnily not with the driver shipped on the card&#8217;s disk, but that&#8217;s ok with me.</p>
<p>Wifi even works every time when getting up from suspend, though it doesn&#8217;t work if you pull out the pcmcia card and then put it back in. Wierd.</p>
<p>Suspend worked each time I tried up to this day, that happens about 3-4 times a week, not much I know, still.</p>
<p>Video: the savage driver didn&#8217;t cause too much trouble for me, I use s3switch to switch easily between crt, lcd and svideo output, worked every time, and it&#8217;s been done a few times since I tend to keep presentations with it, and sometime watch videos from it output on the tv through the svideo.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t try to play hd videos on it though, yet.</p>
<p>So, about that &#8220;&#8221;it works for me&#8221; crap&#8221; &#8230; It&#8217;s just that crap I can give, sorry.</p>
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		<title>By:  Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1148</link>
		<author> Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 05:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1148</guid>
		<description> I have a SuperSavage IX/IC or something. It is supported by Linux&#8217;s driver. It&#8217;s just buggy as hell. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a SuperSavage IX/IC or something. It is supported by Linux&#8217;s driver. It&#8217;s just buggy as hell.</p>
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		<title>By:  Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1144</link>
		<author> Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/03/30/new-laptop-ibm-t23/#comment-1144</guid>
		<description> Blag, please use HTML to represent links. I really don&#8217;t like URLs like that. I am deleting that sentence.
	
I am upgrading from a previous Feisty beta, not from Edgy. So don&#8217;t worry, all files will be in tact.
	
There is a major bug with the Savage DRI driver though, it doesn&#8217;t work at all in 3D mode and it has Xv 2D bugs too. I will file a bug report later. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blag, please use HTML to represent links. I really don&#8217;t like URLs like that. I am deleting that sentence.</p>
<p>I am upgrading from a previous Feisty beta, not from Edgy. So don&#8217;t worry, all files will be in tact.</p>
<p>There is a major bug with the Savage DRI driver though, it doesn&#8217;t work at all in 3D mode and it has Xv 2D bugs too. I will file a bug report later.</p>
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