Comments on: Bandwidth ain’t free http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:22:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: KCorax http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1602 KCorax Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:17:00 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1602 Handsoff, I sincerely understand your considerations. I really really do. I live in Greece where bandwidth is a comodity much more valuable than in the US. It’s great that you understand that ISP have to set caps in order to protect users from monopolizing the juice, and not out of their black vindictive heart. However for the third time you choose not to answer my question: “If someone is about to suck out all the juice out of a connection is the ISP supposed to allow that ?” Handsoff, I sincerely understand your considerations. I really really do. I live in Greece where bandwidth is a comodity much more valuable than in the US.

It’s great that you understand that ISP have to set caps in order to protect users from monopolizing the juice, and not out of their black vindictive heart.

However for the third time you choose not to answer my question: “If someone is about to suck out all the juice out of a connection is the ISP supposed to allow that ?”

]]> By: HandsOff http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1601 HandsOff Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:52:00 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1601 KCorax, I’m not exactly following your first point, though I’d wager that there are select few topics which one could discuss without relying on the authority and expertise of others to make his assertions. That said, to answer your question, the majority of so-called “unlimited” ISP accounts already have usage caps to prevent one user from monopolizing the bandwidth of a connection, as can happen with bandwidth heavy applications such as torrents and streaming video. Having exceeded a certain limit, the user’s bandwidth can be throttled or simply cutoff to allow access to other users. My assertion is that the situation you describe will become quite commonplace, as increasingly more of these bandwidth-intensive applications are on the horizon, unless we expand our overall broadband capabilities, an effort that would be hindered by the passage of net neutrality legislation. KCorax, I’m not exactly following your first point, though I’d wager that there are select few topics which one could discuss without relying on the authority and expertise of others to make his assertions.

That said, to answer your question, the majority of so-called “unlimited” ISP accounts already have usage caps to prevent one user from monopolizing the bandwidth of a connection, as can happen with bandwidth heavy applications such as torrents and streaming video. Having exceeded a certain limit, the user’s bandwidth can be throttled or simply cutoff to allow access to other users. My assertion is that the situation you describe will become quite commonplace, as increasingly more of these bandwidth-intensive applications are on the horizon, unless we expand our overall broadband capabilities, an effort that would be hindered by the passage of net neutrality legislation.

]]> By: KCorax http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1600 KCorax Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:13:00 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1600 @Handsoff, Pointing to a greater authority and the underlying infrastructure of that authority is a tactic most often used by fanatics and religious sects (eg pointing to Jobs and Hubbard). Kindly answer my question: “If someone is about to suck out all the juice out of a connection is the ISP supposed to allow that ?” @Handsoff, Pointing to a greater authority and the underlying infrastructure of that authority is a tactic most often used by fanatics and religious sects (eg pointing to Jobs and Hubbard).

Kindly answer my question: “If someone is about to suck out all the juice out of a connection is the ISP supposed to allow that ?”

]]> By: HandsOff http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1599 HandsOff Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:25:00 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1599 KCorax, I’m simply saying that the passage of any net neutrality legislation would greatly reduce the incentive for investment in broadband networks at a level that would keep pace with ever-increasing broadband demand. As Discovery Institute fellow Bret Swanson has argued, “Wall Street will finance new telco and cable fiber optic projects, but only with some reasonable hope of a profit. And that is what net neutrality could squelch.” KCorax, I’m simply saying that the passage of any net neutrality legislation would greatly reduce the incentive for investment in broadband networks at a level that would keep pace with ever-increasing broadband demand. As Discovery Institute fellow Bret Swanson has argued, “Wall Street will finance new telco and cable fiber optic projects, but only with some reasonable hope of a profit. And that is what net neutrality could squelch.”

]]> By: KCorax http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1598 KCorax Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:29:00 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1598 @Handsoff, I’m sorry but are you blaming them ? Broadband networks are a reality due to the fact that in each contract a customer is sharing his bandwidth with others (10-50 depending on context). If someone is about to suck out all the juice out of a connection is the ISP supposed to allow that ? ?!?!? ??! @Handsoff, I’m sorry but are you blaming them ? Broadband networks are a reality due to the fact that in each contract a customer is sharing his bandwidth with others (10-50 depending on context). If someone is about to suck out all the juice out of a connection is the ISP supposed to allow that ?

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]]> By: HandsOff http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1597 HandsOff Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:42:00 +0000 http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/02/19/bandwidth-aint-free/#comment-1597 I work with <a href='http://www.HandsOff.org' rel='nofollow'>www.HandsOff.org</a> and agree that applications such as Joost are going to face tough battles when it comes to securing the necessary bandwidth. However, their situation looks even more dire if so-called net neutrality legislation is put into effect. Net neutrality laws will only dissuade investment in the the new broadband networks that will be necessary if not only concepts like Joost but also the Internet as a whole is to continue its continued evolution and expansion. I work with www.HandsOff.org and agree that applications such as Joost are going to face tough battles when it comes to securing the necessary bandwidth. However, their situation looks even more dire if so-called net neutrality legislation is put into effect. Net neutrality laws will only dissuade investment in the the new broadband networks that will be necessary if not only concepts like Joost but also the Internet as a whole is to continue its continued evolution and expansion.

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