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	<title>Comments on: Regarding Firefly&#8217;s cancellation</title>
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		<title>By:  Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2006/11/29/regarding-fireflys-cancellation/#comment-2261</link>
		<author> Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &#62;1. Was it a quality implementation of something that nobody wanted?
	
I think most people were put off by the &#8220;western&#8221; style, even Americans did. When I first watched Firefly, I hated it for that reason alone. Only when I literally pushed myself to watch more of it I liked the universe and its characters.
	
Another problem was that FOX aired &#8220;Serenity&#8221; 1 year after it was completed (the pilot of Firefly). The 90-minute pilot was by far the best episode of all 14 (quality-wise). By not airing it first, viewers didn&#8217;t know what to expect and what was really going on.
	
&#62; 2. Was the marketing poor? 
	
I think the marketing was fine. I didn&#8217;t use to watch much TV back in 2002, and yet I did learn about it and watched the first 3 episodes (which I disliked for the reasons I explain above).
	
Maybe FOX crucified the show by not giving it a better timeslot and air its pilot when it should have, but the ultimate decision to cancel the show in May 2002, was the right decision business-wise.
	
Firefly was a good show overall, but this was not enough. Anyways, DVD sales are still rocking. After 3.5 years, the complete series DVD &lt;a href="http://www.fireflyfans.net/amazon.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;is still&lt;/a&gt; in the top-100 of Amazon and it has sold over 1 million copies. This is possibly the most sold TV series on a DVD, ever. It  has a ratio of buyers 1 in 5-8 viewers, which is extremely high. Yet, FOX didn&#8217;t bring that show back. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;1. Was it a quality implementation of something that nobody wanted?</p>
<p>I think most people were put off by the &#8220;western&#8221; style, even Americans did. When I first watched Firefly, I hated it for that reason alone. Only when I literally pushed myself to watch more of it I liked the universe and its characters.</p>
<p>Another problem was that FOX aired &#8220;Serenity&#8221; 1 year after it was completed (the pilot of Firefly). The 90-minute pilot was by far the best episode of all 14 (quality-wise). By not airing it first, viewers didn&#8217;t know what to expect and what was really going on.</p>
<p>&gt; 2. Was the marketing poor? </p>
<p>I think the marketing was fine. I didn&#8217;t use to watch much TV back in 2002, and yet I did learn about it and watched the first 3 episodes (which I disliked for the reasons I explain above).</p>
<p>Maybe FOX crucified the show by not giving it a better timeslot and air its pilot when it should have, but the ultimate decision to cancel the show in May 2002, was the right decision business-wise.</p>
<p>Firefly was a good show overall, but this was not enough. Anyways, DVD sales are still rocking. After 3.5 years, the complete series DVD <a href="http://www.fireflyfans.net/amazon.asp" rel="nofollow">is still</a> in the top-100 of Amazon and it has sold over 1 million copies. This is possibly the most sold TV series on a DVD, ever. It  has a ratio of buyers 1 in 5-8 viewers, which is extremely high. Yet, FOX didn&#8217;t bring that show back.</p>
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		<title>By:  Billy</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2006/11/29/regarding-fireflys-cancellation/#comment-2260</link>
		<author> Billy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2006/11/29/regarding-fireflys-cancellation/#comment-2260</guid>
		<description> I think the big point is, when you have a quality product that doesn&#8217;t sell (although opinions certainly vary, I think a lot of people would agree that Firefly was of high quality), you have to ask why:
	
1.  Was it a quality implementation of something that nobody wanted?  Some serious, depressing movies are excellent, but do regular people want to spend their Saturday night and money watching them?  Some do (like me!), but many people want to simply have a good time, which is a lot of the reason a fun, silly comedy will tend to make more money than many critically-acclaimed &#8220;serious&#8221; movies.
	
Similarly, when you look at things realistically, a science-fiction based show is probably going to have a harder time getting a large viewer base than something with more popular appeal.  (Yes, there are exceptions.)  As you mentioned, network TV shows need a huge number of viewers, and this probably explains why there aren&#8217;t a whole bunch of outer-space-themed shows during prime time TV.
	
2.  Was the marketing poor?  Without having read most comments, I think this is the area in which most people blame Fox.  Fox has a pretty good history of canceling shows that people believe (how accurately, it&#8217;s tough to say) would have been popular with the right marketing / timeslot.  Look at Family Guy &#8212; the DVD sales were so high that Fox actually brought it back from the dead.  
	
Certainly, Firefly was an expensive show, and since it obviously wasn&#8217;t pulling a profit, it made sense for Fox to cancel it.  I doubt most people are disputing that.  Rather, I think they&#8217;re saying that with better marketing and a better timeslot, they believe that it would have been successful.  Right or wrong, that&#8217;s a different question.  (And the same idea also goes for the movie, of course.) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the big point is, when you have a quality product that doesn&#8217;t sell (although opinions certainly vary, I think a lot of people would agree that Firefly was of high quality), you have to ask why:</p>
<p>1.  Was it a quality implementation of something that nobody wanted?  Some serious, depressing movies are excellent, but do regular people want to spend their Saturday night and money watching them?  Some do (like me!), but many people want to simply have a good time, which is a lot of the reason a fun, silly comedy will tend to make more money than many critically-acclaimed &#8220;serious&#8221; movies.</p>
<p>Similarly, when you look at things realistically, a science-fiction based show is probably going to have a harder time getting a large viewer base than something with more popular appeal.  (Yes, there are exceptions.)  As you mentioned, network TV shows need a huge number of viewers, and this probably explains why there aren&#8217;t a whole bunch of outer-space-themed shows during prime time TV.</p>
<p>2.  Was the marketing poor?  Without having read most comments, I think this is the area in which most people blame Fox.  Fox has a pretty good history of canceling shows that people believe (how accurately, it&#8217;s tough to say) would have been popular with the right marketing / timeslot.  Look at Family Guy &#8212; the DVD sales were so high that Fox actually brought it back from the dead.  </p>
<p>Certainly, Firefly was an expensive show, and since it obviously wasn&#8217;t pulling a profit, it made sense for Fox to cancel it.  I doubt most people are disputing that.  Rather, I think they&#8217;re saying that with better marketing and a better timeslot, they believe that it would have been successful.  Right or wrong, that&#8217;s a different question.  (And the same idea also goes for the movie, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By:  Eugenia</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2006/11/29/regarding-fireflys-cancellation/#comment-2263</link>
		<author> Eugenia</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2006/11/29/regarding-fireflys-cancellation/#comment-2263</guid>
		<description> X-Files was cheap to produce in the first 2 seasons, yes (then, it took off, so it was not a problem anymore). In the first few seasons they were also shooting in Canada, not in LA, in order to bring down costs. Firefly on the other hand had 9 major characters to pay up (X-Files only had 2 in the beginning), plus the CG (which were pretty expensive at that time), plus the interior of the ship which was created completely and fully. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>X-Files was cheap to produce in the first 2 seasons, yes (then, it took off, so it was not a problem anymore). In the first few seasons they were also shooting in Canada, not in LA, in order to bring down costs. Firefly on the other hand had 9 major characters to pay up (X-Files only had 2 in the beginning), plus the CG (which were pretty expensive at that time), plus the interior of the ship which was created completely and fully.</p>
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		<title>By:  Kitty</title>
		<link>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2006/11/29/regarding-fireflys-cancellation/#comment-2262</link>
		<author> Kitty</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2006/11/29/regarding-fireflys-cancellation/#comment-2262</guid>
		<description> Was really Firefly more expensive to produce than X-files? I don&#8217;t have any numbers, but I remember in a DVD commentary of Buffy someone stated that Buffy had about 1/5th of the budget per episode X-files had. Firefly certainly _looks_ more expensive than Buffy ( more sets, more exteriors, more crowds and thus extras to pay) but many of those effects and sets are CG, that is probably pretty effective for its cost, or used over and over like the ship&#8217;s interior. X-files on the other hand seemed to set every episode in different places, with lots of extra characters&#8230; but my memory is a bit foggy about that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was really Firefly more expensive to produce than X-files? I don&#8217;t have any numbers, but I remember in a DVD commentary of Buffy someone stated that Buffy had about 1/5th of the budget per episode X-files had. Firefly certainly _looks_ more expensive than Buffy ( more sets, more exteriors, more crowds and thus extras to pay) but many of those effects and sets are CG, that is probably pretty effective for its cost, or used over and over like the ship&#8217;s interior. X-files on the other hand seemed to set every episode in different places, with lots of extra characters&#8230; but my memory is a bit foggy about that.</p>
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