Mother wins ban on violent porn
“A mother whose daughter died at the hands of a man obsessed with violent internet porn has won her fight for a ban on possessing such images.”
To me, violent sex is as bad as child pornography. I am against violence, I don’t like it used on me, and I don’t like use it on others. And even if sex is a personal affair, getting violent is not. The fact that someone gets violent in his private life during sex, is not any different than getting violent in the public, or with his wife and children at home (old greek saying: “?p???? ????e? st?? ?????, ????e? ?a? st?? p???” meaning, “who ever farts in the woods, will eventually fart in the town too”). Violence is violence, and it should not be allowed in any form. Just because sex is a personal affair doesn’t mean that getting violent against someone else does not break the law (in some countries this is against the law EVEN if the victim gave his/her consent). And as people are not allowed to own child pornography or other gruesome material, they should not be allowed to get high with violent images either (only scholar, research and journalist professionals should be allowed to have hold of such imagery). You see, if people do only get high with such imagery, it means that they should start looking for a psychologist right away. Failure to realize that they are sick, might result in seriously hurting others or even kill them. Finally, I hope all countries eventually ban strongly violent fetish porn movies. They are sick and unfortunately too easy to get hold of them.
Some may ask then, “so what’s normal sex then?”. Well, normal is how 98% of all people are usually having sex. And being around animals all my life (which to me represent nature and therefore normality), I have never seen a goat trying to push another goat down the cliff just so it manages to get an orgasm out of it.
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This is certainly controversial and not easy subject, but I think you have a point about not allowing extreme violent images. It’s sick, and those who like them should be helped/treated (not just put into jail). As it happened in that story, those individuals represent a danger for others.
I respect everyone’s freedom and don’t like censorship, but we shouldn’t give up in trying to help/educate/cure people with ill behavior just because they’re free to have such behavior.
I find it funny, however, how society allow violent images (in the movies, news, video games, etc….) as something normal while they ban nudity/sex as something bad/abnormal. Any kid can watch a movie where a guy gets a gun and kills everyone he finds, but can’t watch one where a person is nude. Another crazy thing about our society. But I guess that’s a different story…
Off topic P.S: Good luck to Greece’s basketball team. I hope we can meet in the final (Greece and Spain
Well said! Unfotunately the same thing that happened to porn media will happen to violent media. Everyone knows a porno, but it was too hard for legalist systems to define, so everyone gave up and settled for battling child porn only. I predict the same battle of the gray areas with respect to violence. Eventually legalist systems will be unable to explicitly define it, so the will probably rally around a limited subset, e.g., non-consensual viloence such as rape movies and snuff movies.
Just becasue one crazy guy who watches “violent porn” kills someone doesn’t mean everyone will.
What if watched Barney the dinosaur and went on a killing spree? Do we ban Barney?
Do you think video games make people kill too? Rock music?
The law against murder is enough. There doesn’t need to be a law against “violent porn,” whatever that means.
>Do you think video games make people kill too? Rock music?
Yes, some do. According to a research that we also linked from osnews, violent games do create unwanted behavior.
>The law against murder is enough
Apparently it wasn’t.
This is quite the reversal. When it comes to imposing your will on someone, I would’ve expected it to come from Thom.
>To me, violent sex is as bad as child pornography.
That is your problem. “Violent” sex between two consenting adults doesn’t compare to a child being manipulated or even forced to preform sexual acts on tapes.
Child pornography isn’t wrong and disgusting soley because their little children, it’s because that because they are they aren’t capable of the golden rule of “informed consent” and that’s what the disgusting thing about it is.
Consensual violence between individuals who are actually capable of giving informed consent exists everywhere in our society. You have no right to declare something a social ill and make others abide by your viewpoint.
Next I’ll hear people who practice martial arts are more inclined to murder.
> You have no right to declare something a social ill and make others abide by your viewpoint.
I have EVERY right to express my opinion, especially in my own blog.
And yes, I declare violence socially ill, no matter if it happens in the bedroom, or between two kids fighting in the school yard over nothing. I do not discriminate violence.
>Next I’ll hear people who practice martial arts are more inclined to murder.
Sorry, but it ain’t the same at all. Martial arts is a sport, and for whoever is serious about it and truly practices it, he becomes a less violent person that from those who don’t. FYI, I did Tae Kwon-Do (ITF) for a few months when I was a teenager. However, yes, there are people who DO practice martial arts just so they can kick the a$$es of the people who don’t like. They are in the minority, but such martial arts students do exist. Usually, when they get exposed they get the boot from the teacher.
>I have EVERY right to express my opinion, especially in my own blog. And yes, I declare violence socially ill, no matter if it happens in the bedroom, or between two kids fighting in the school yard over nothing. I do not discriminate violence.
I didn’t say you didn’t have a right to express your opinion. I said you didn’t have a right to make others abide by your viewpoint (which you’re doing if you express support for this law.)
I completely fail to see how my support for a law of another country forces my readers to abide by my own viewpoint. I simply stated that I personally support the idea (under the conditions I also stated). I never asked anyone else to also support it. This blog is about my own opinions, not yours. If you agree with my viewpoints, good, if you don’t, good too.
I really don’t understand how you got this idea that I try to press my viewpoint on others. I simply write my THOUGHTS on this blog. You are free to read them, or not.
>This is just *legalized* discrimination/prejudice
We are not talking here about prejudice about particular things. We are talking about violence, which is commonly illegal on ALL modern societies. It is not the same thing.
>As long as both are enjoying it…
I fail to see how a possible death or a permanent damage can be enjoyable. This is sickness.
I want to see a violent movie, with violence, killing, and whatever in it, I have the damn right to. With laws like this– what happens to a movie about rape? What happens to, for instance, American History X? That sure does constitute as “material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury”. Or, a movie with even worse violence in it: A Clockwork Orange.
Eugenia, this is NOT about banning the act itself– it is about banning media containing “material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury”.
And yes, that entails film as well.
And what about the news? American soldiers killing people in IRaque? Is that not “material featuring violence that is, or appears to be, life-threatening or is likely to result in serious and disabling injury” as well?
Thom, these movies you are mentioning, and others, and news reports are OK by my conditions. Usually, gruesome AUTHENTIC images are NOT part of these movies or news reports ANYWAY. In other words, you are not going to lose what you already have. What I don’t want though, is having a few freaking sick people getting really-really violent imagery (much more than the movies you are mentioning) that sometimes are even authentic (and not staged), and get off with them. That’s what I want to prevent, not the minimization of your healthy entertainment.
What I don’t want though, is having a few freaking sick people getting really-really violent imagery (much more than the movies you are mentioning) that sometimes are even authentic (and not staged), and get off with them.
That is already not allowed. They’re called snuff movies, and are illegal. The acts are what is supposed to be illegal– and they are.
Bannignimagery will get you nowhere. Many people have, for instance, ’strangle’ sex. Should that be illegal? If two consenting adults want it? What about bondage? That’s pretty damn violent too. SM? Etc.?
>Do you think video games make people kill too? Rock music?
>>Yes, some do. According to a research that we also linked >>from osnews, violent games do create unwanted behavior.
Research that might be of questionable sources or have too few subjects or too few studies.
I use to play quake III for hours a day, and days on end.
I also played Deus Ex. I watched horror movies as a child. Why am I not out there killing people?
>The law against murder is enough
>>Apparently it wasn’t.
Well, the guy will go to jail for murder. Why do we need another law when this one is enough to put the scumbag away for life?
Do you actually think UK ISPs will monitor what you download and then kick down your door and take you off to jail?
Would they have even caught him downloading pictures on the internet?
I’m not so sure this law would make any difference in this case.
What is too violent anyway? Ropes, gags, riding crops, open hand ass slaps, and threats all might be too violent deppending on who you ask?
What is ‘normal sex’? What’s the kind of sex 98% of ‘all’ people are having? Different cultures have different ideas of sexuality & sexual interaction.
Who gets to decide what kinds of violent images are going to be withheld from the public? Personally I find images of war far more disturbing and way more violent but I also think they should never be censored.
> Different cultures have different ideas of sexuality & sexual interaction.
They are not as different as you think they are. Some cultural differences might exist, but overall, the vast majority of people don’t step out boundaries.
>Who gets to decide what kinds of violent images are going to be withheld from the public
As always, a judge. That’s why we have those.
Is this related to this or is it just a coincidence? You don’t state your sources.
> I have already linked to the source in my blog post. But
> yes, it’s related.
Right. This is only in the UK then. I’m British. This is such a non-thing. No one is going to take a blind bit of notice. Sad as it is, the UK is not going to influence anyone.
I have already linked to the source in my blog post. But yes, it’s related.
> They are not as different as you think they are. Some cultural differences might exist, but overall, the vast majority of people don’t step out boundaries.
Okay, then take for example something fairly common: same-sex sex (both male-male & female-female). Countries that have laws against it include Saudi-Arabia, Iran (in both countries it is punishable by death!), Malaysia, Romania, Burma, India, Morocco etc…
Source: http://www.ilga.info/
This is just *legalized* discrimination/prejudice, prejudice in general against homosexuals/lesbians/bisexuals/etc is even more common, everywhere (esp amongst religions).
So I’m not sure why/how you think the differences aren’t that big.
Hi,
I have to state two things:
a)The step you made is dangerous one - to censorship. I think that everyone should have free access to whatever he wants
b)Everyone should do in bed what he wants. IMHO, if a couple wants to hurt themselves while mating, so should they. As long as both are enjoying it…
Best regards
Tam Hanna
>Many people have, for instance, ’strangle’ sex.
> Should that be illegal?
Yes.
>What about bondage?
Same too. Especially hardcore strong bondage.
These are sick acts.
Call me old fashioned, or narrow minded, but that’s my opinion. I do not tolerate violent acts, no matter if they are for fun, by two or more people in agreement.
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